Extracting value from an idiot
 

<font color="blue">This is not a multi-hand post. The first two are just examples of this villains play. He is a calling station that is overly aggro.

The 3rd hand is my problem hand. Villain has a very wide range here. </font>

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($26.85)
SB ($86)
BB ($91.10)
Hero ($49)
MP ($18.55)
CO ($59.20)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls $0.50, Button calls $0.50, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $3</font>, CO folds, Button calls $2.50, SB calls $2.50.

Flop: ($9.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $5</font>, SB folds, BB calls $5.

Turn: ($19.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Button checks.

River: ($19.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $21</font>, Button calls $18.85 (All-In).

Final Pot: $57.20

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has As Qs (high card, ace).
Button has Js Kh (one pair, kings).
Outcome: Button wins $57.20. BB wins $2.15. </font>

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP ($37.55)
CO ($66.55)
Button ($86.35)
Hero ($56.20)
BB ($34.50)
UTG ($49.25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls $0.50, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $10</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO folds, Button calls $7.

Flop: ($21) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($21) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $10</font>, Button calls $10.

River: ($41) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $10</font>, Button calls $10.

Final Pot: $61

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Qd Qc (one pair, queens).
Button has Kc As (high card, ace).
Outcome: Hero wins $61. </font>




PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($63.85)
BB ($49.25)
UTG ($65.35)
Hero ($86.65)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls $1.50.

Flop: ($4.75) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $6</font>, Hero calls $3.

Turn: ($16.75) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $10</font>, UTG calls $10.

River: ($36.75) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $16.5</font>, Hero calls $16.50.

Final Pot: $69.75

Re: Extracting value from an idiot
 

Erm what? Who's the idiot here?

On that 2nd hand your turn bet sizing is meh, but your river bet sizing is horrible, at least half pot VB!

The hand in question I'd check behind the turn for pot control ... although I guess flop min-raise could be a flush draw which would be bad to give a free card for. However the river is a fold with third pair and the flush card coming.

Re: Extracting value from an idiot
 

I'm betting lowish to try and get villain to bluff me.

Re: Extracting value from an idiot
 

And yes, I'll admit I have trouble playing against maniacs.

Re: Extracting value from an idiot
 

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I'm betting lowish to try and get villain to bluff me.

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This is an odd line of thinking and I just realized you have an oxymoron in your OP when you said "villain is a calling station who is overly aggro." That doesn't make any sense. Did you mean calling station preflop and aggressive postflop?

Re: Extracting value from an idiot
 

I hate it.Check behind on the TURN and call a small bet on a safe river.Fold to a big bet
In the hand the river is a fold.

Re: Extracting value from an idiot
 

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I'm betting lowish to try and get villain to bluff me.

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I don't think this is the best way to approach these types of players. From my experience, these players rarely raise and just call down to the river to see if they win. They don't like thinking that they might have been bluffed so they just call and call and call JUST INCASE your trying to bluff them.

Against these players, i'm value betting every street, and if i get raised, i'm usually folding my hand unless it is HUGE

Re: Extracting value from an idiot
 

Bet the flop in the second hand. Need to build a pot versus a calling station.

Re: Extracting value from an idiot
 

The first two hands don't indicate that villain is aggro at all, let alone overly aggro. I'll take your word for it. 3rd hand I would probably check the turn and call a reasonable bet on the river on a blank and maybe a psb if all the draws missed. As played, I would fold the river. His range may be very wide but this is an awful card for you.

Re: Extracting value from an idiot
 

BB is villain in hand 1. A PSB bluff doesn't seem overly aggro?