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Morrek 08-04-2007 08:03 PM

sick JJ hand deep 10/20
 
Villain is 22/18. lots of history and 3/4/5beting light etc on various tables, although we've been kinda quiet last hour or so and I've been showing down goods a couple times(although far from set mining and he knows it). I dunno what else is important, but we've definitely been tangling A LOT and raising flop w/ nothing/floating with nothing etc is far from unheard of.

Oh yeah I'm running like 29/24

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $10/$20 Blinds - 4 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $8,431.00
BB: $1,317.84
Hero (UTG): $6,910.00
BTN: $1,910.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $70.00</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $222.00</font>, BB folds, Hero calls $152.00

Flop: ($464) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $333.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $999.00</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $3,000.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero....

ActionJeff 08-04-2007 08:09 PM

Re: sick JJ hand deep 10/20
 
vomit

the forum consensus always seems to be a fold in these type of spots, and I am always the one arguing for a call.

But I think in this specific hand this is an obvious fold

-Jeff

kotkis 08-04-2007 08:17 PM

Re: sick JJ hand deep 10/20
 
Would help a lot if you posted his sn.

Morrek 08-04-2007 08:21 PM

Re: sick JJ hand deep 10/20
 
[ QUOTE ]
Would help a lot if you posted his sn.

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recallme 08-04-2007 08:25 PM

Re: sick JJ hand deep 10/20
 
I was sitting with you.
I would have folded imho, but it`s a tough one.
He has at last AKs, right?
TT would be easy, but with the possibility that he has TT it`s tough.
You can`t fold out a better hand, all draws stay in with, so fold.

praios 08-04-2007 10:30 PM

Re: sick JJ hand deep 10/20
 
fold

aislephive 08-04-2007 11:20 PM

Re: sick JJ hand deep 10/20
 
Gross spot, I could go either way. Looks like a fold in most situations but you guys have a lot of history so he could 3 bet the flop with a wider range for value and with nothing.

Against a range of AA, TT, KQ, we have 38% equity, which is probably a little below what we need here to stack off. I didn't include any semibluffs or the chance of him overplaying something like AJ, or the possibility of total air.

I imagine our equity is always above 35% against any reasonable range, which would mean shoving would probably not be a huge mistake no matter what. Folding is definitely fine though and I would probably fold to most straightforward players this deep.

Interested to hear results.

donkey 08-04-2007 11:27 PM

Re: sick JJ hand deep 10/20
 
i dont get this hand--this should be an easy call/allin with fistpump. you realize you have the nuts?

LuckyDice 08-04-2007 11:30 PM

Re: sick JJ hand deep 10/20
 
aisle,

Am I missing something? Why didn't you include any flushes in that range?

doormat 08-04-2007 11:52 PM

Re: sick JJ hand deep 10/20
 
Easy call, you fill up, he shows KsQs.


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