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TheCount212 08-04-2007 07:20 PM

Should I have turned my hand face up?
 
Had a really frustrating morning playing 3/6 at my local B&M today. Flopped a straight flush and won a nice pot after c/c'ing the flop, c/r'ing the turn, and betting out on the river with two callers the whole way... missed out on the $800 Monte Carlo bonus by 2 minutes, as someone else in the joint hit one first.

The crusher was the folling nightmarish hand: It's a kill pot and I'm in MP and raise J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], it gets reraised and capped four ways.. since I had two bets in I called.
Flop comes 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. I bet out, one caller, two folds.
The turn is the A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] I bet out $6 and the caller calls and goes all-in for his last $1.
River comes a blank, and much to my dismay the caller is holding AA, hitting his two-outer to beat me.

Here's my question: I realize that him running out of chips was both lucky (I could have lost more) and unlucky (he might have been less inclined to fish for a two-outer... although it's tough to fold AA.) This may sound crazy, but it occurred to me that I might have turned my hand face-up after the flop or before the turn in the hopes that he'd surrender his two-outer, while I rake in $96.

Anyone ever done that or seen it done? I'm sure this is something to be tried only very rarely, and I'm not even sure you can do it, but this seems like the perfect time to try something like that. Any thoughts?

Aces McGee 08-04-2007 08:38 PM

Re: Should I have turned my hand face up?
 
Count, with due respect, this is one of the silliest things I've seen on this board.

First of all, I'm assuming your idea is to flip your hand over after your flop bet and the other two guys fold, leaving you heads up. (If you were thinking about doing it after he called your flop bet but before the turn card, I don't see why your opponent would muck before seeing a card he paid for).

At any rate, the answer is a resounding "No!" We spend a lot of time here worrying about missing the thinnest of value bets, and you're asking if you should prevent your opponent from calling a full bet when you are better than a 91% favorite to win the hand?

-McGee

BigBadBabar 08-04-2007 09:24 PM

Re: Should I have turned my hand face up?
 
count, don't make babar angry

Scary_Tiger 08-04-2007 09:47 PM

Re: Should I have turned my hand face up?
 
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count, don't make babar angry

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TheCount212 08-05-2007 02:01 PM

Re: Should I have turned my hand face up?
 
Yes, I was referring to a head's up situation before the turn card comes. Since he had only $7 in front of him it wouldn't have mattered.. but I wonder if it would have if he had more.
And I said up front it was a radical idea... just thinking out loud here. It's just a thought I had after I had time to stop steaming...

Mr. Ratface 08-05-2007 02:37 PM

Re: Should I have turned my hand face up?
 
I had an answer with scenarios until I realised thay he wasnt play no limit.

Now im too lazy to make another scenario so Ill say this.
Answer is no and dont be results oriented.

bernie 08-05-2007 02:55 PM

Re: Should I have turned my hand face up?
 
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Anyone ever done that or seen it done?

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Not from anyone playing winning poker.

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This may sound crazy, but it occurred to me that I might have turned my hand face-up after the flop or before the turn in the hopes that he'd surrender his two-outer,

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Yep, it's crazy, stupid and highly -EV.

You don't want action from a player who only has 2 outs? If you're steaming and are thinking of doing this move, I'd stop playing for the day.

b

JJH3984 08-05-2007 03:27 PM

Re: Should I have turned my hand face up?
 
no. i've seen stories of this done in NL when yr opponent is getting correct odds to call but doesn't realize it.

KitCloudkicker 08-05-2007 03:43 PM

Re: Should I have turned my hand face up?
 
running bad makes you think strange thoughts

KitCloudkicker 08-05-2007 03:45 PM

Re: Should I have turned my hand face up?
 
running bad is like when you have AA in a six way raised pot and lose, it makes you want to turn your hand face up preflop and collect blinds.


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