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NYWalker 08-04-2007 11:49 AM

Legends of Poker $500NL Hand - Turn decision
 
Legends of Poker $535 NL Tournament
Villain 65+ years old, looked like a tight player. So far, he didn't play many hands. He didn't steal the blinds and didn't defend blinds. I didn't see him play post flops since I moved here. But saw him folded many times on the flop to c-bets.

Stack - villain has 1800, I have 1200.
2nd level 25/50. EP limps. I limp with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] from MP. Button limps. Villain completes from SB and BB checks.

5 players, 250 Pot.
Flop 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Check to me, I bet 200. Button folds, SB (villain) calls. Other folds.

2 players, 650 Pot.
Turn Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Villain bets 300, I have 950 behind.

Hero?

betgo 08-04-2007 01:03 PM

Re: Legends of Poker $500NL Hand - Turn decision
 
What's the decision? I am not folding. If old guy has a flush in the blinds, it could be a smaller one. You only have half pot left after calling, so pushing seems better than trying to trap.

djk123 08-04-2007 01:37 PM

Re: Legends of Poker $500NL Hand - Turn decision
 
um. all in.

fsoyars 08-04-2007 02:17 PM

Re: Legends of Poker $500NL Hand - Turn decision
 
Shove. I was in this too, went out like 43rd. How'd you end up?

mikeJ 08-04-2007 04:02 PM

Re: Legends of Poker $500NL Hand - Turn decision
 
Ridiculously easy shove.

nath 08-04-2007 05:09 PM

Re: Legends of Poker $500NL Hand - Turn decision
 
Yeah dude get the money in for sure

TheSalche 08-04-2007 08:18 PM

Re: Legends of Poker $500NL Hand - Turn decision
 
Fold

NYWalker 08-05-2007 01:22 AM

Re: Legends of Poker $500NL Hand - Turn decision
 
[ QUOTE ]
What's the decision? I am not folding. If old guy has a flush in the blinds, it could be a smaller one. You only have half pot left after calling, so pushing seems better than trying to trap.

[/ QUOTE ]

I agree with everyone. Folding isn't in discussion at all.

Push or call?
Online, this is an easy push. However, most live villains play differently than online players.

From this villain, I believe, if I push the turn, I could only get called if he has flush, Ace[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], two pair or set.

When he bets 300, assumes he doesn't have a flush or A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], his plan is to buy a draw and fold to a push, also bluff. If so, he may bluff the river too. (From his view of me, I bet the flop when checked to me and if I just call the turn, he may not put me on a made flush.)

Therefore, I decided to call the turn and call a river push if the river isn't a diamond.


As played:

I called the turn. Leaving 650 behind.

River 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
He bet 500.
As planned, I moved all-in.

<font color="white"> He folds Jd8h face up </font>

Bakes 08-05-2007 01:43 AM

Re: Legends of Poker $500NL Hand - Turn decision
 
Dude he check called the flop and led the turn. You already said he doesn't bluff, so push the turn. Why do you watn to call the turn so you can fold to a diamond river instead of getting the money in ahead? He's never pure bluffing here and I'm surprised he had such a weak hand.

08-05-2007 05:27 AM

Re: Legends of Poker $500NL Hand - Turn decision
 
Is this one of those questions where we're just seeing if superfluous conversation will result from an obvious question just because its HSMTT?

Anyway, we're not deep, we have the Xth nuts, we don't want to let anyone outdraw us... this is a really easy shove.


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