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RonFezBuddy 08-02-2007 10:23 AM

What\'s your play on a whiffed AK flop?
 
This is a relatively frequent situation and I'm not quite sure what the best play is here.

1. Make a continuation bet and fold to resistance?
2. shove for FE with possible outs if called?
3. Something I am not thinking of?

Also, I'm not sure I really like my pf bet. I wanted action from the big stack with marginal aces but I don't know if that's what I got.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG+1 (t1935)
MP1 (t3970)
MP2 (t1685)
MP3 (t2755)
CO (t7280)
Button (t1850)
SB (t2525)
Hero (t2730)
UTG (t1325)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls t50, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t200</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t450</font>, MP1 folds, CO calls t250.

Flop: (t975) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

<font color="#CC3333">Hero?</font>

imjoshsizemore 08-02-2007 10:29 AM

Re: What\'s your play on a whiffed AK flop?
 
Reraise more preflop and you can get away with an all in on this flop, CO has a big stack and could easily be on AT-AQ, KQ-KJish.

Edit: Im most likely making it 600~700ish reraise pre then jamming on the flop. But im a donk so waddev

SunyD 08-02-2007 10:36 AM

Re: What\'s your play on a whiffed AK flop?
 
I think you need to make it about 650 preflop especially since your out of position.

Whats your read on CO.. has he been calling big raises? calling/raising c-bets? Has he been showing down big pairs?

I'd probably shove the flop.

chh 08-02-2007 10:39 AM

Re: What\'s your play on a whiffed AK flop?
 
the size of your pf raise was terrible, you're not getting anyone to fold, and it puts you in a tough spot postflop (ldo)
CO will never fold any hand here for 250 more, even if only for set value.
you would need to raise to at least 800 to have a decent FE, but then you would have to jam virtually flop.

With the awkward stack sizes, I'd probably just stick it in pf.

SonofDjugashvili 08-02-2007 10:45 AM

Re: What\'s your play on a whiffed AK flop?
 
That flop is unlikely to have helped him, and you are probably best. Your RR size was unfortunate as you are now stuck with an uncomfortable stack size. If the CO is aggressive and has been betting when checked to, I like a C/R AI.

black666 08-02-2007 11:37 AM

Re: What\'s your play on a whiffed AK flop?
 
What do we do if we re-raise to 600 and get shoved?

oe39 08-02-2007 11:43 AM

Re: What\'s your play on a whiffed AK flop?
 
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What do we do if we re-raise to 600 and get shoved?

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the same thing you'd do in any situation facing an all-in against one player with 1/3 of your chips in the pot preflop?

happyhardcore 08-02-2007 11:45 AM

Re: What\'s your play on a whiffed AK flop?
 
how many chips do you start with 1500?

If so a 700 preflop and shove on the flop looks a bit suspicious but he'd need at least AT to call I'd imagine and people tend to shove QQ+ early in these tourneys I find. SO that's how I'd play it

BlueEcho 08-02-2007 11:45 AM

Re: What\'s your play on a whiffed AK flop?
 
[ QUOTE ]
What do we do if we re-raise to 600 and get shoved?

[/ QUOTE ]

If you are talking pre-flop it's a snap call.

s33w33d 08-02-2007 12:24 PM

Re: What\'s your play on a whiffed AK flop?
 
Having the A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] helps you a lot here, no reason to think you're really behind. I would have made it more preflop, but you can c-bet, I'd say like T350.


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