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valence 07-31-2007 11:38 PM

top 2 pair on the turn
 
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB (t12868)
UTG (t2968)
MP (t5903)
Button (t6580)
Hero (t10681)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif.
[color=#666666]3 folds</font>, Hero completes, [color=#CC3333]BB raises to t1200</font>, Hero calls t800.

Flop: (t2300) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif [color=#0000FF](2 players)</font>
[color=#CC3333]Hero bets t1500</font>, BB calls t1500.

Turn: (t5300) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif [color=#0000FF](2 players)</font>

Hero...?

SuperUberBob 08-01-2007 12:05 AM

Re: top 2 pair on the turn
 
Any reads on villain?

valence 08-01-2007 12:09 AM

Re: top 2 pair on the turn
 
villain has been LAGgy for the ~20 hands I have played with him

SuperUberBob 08-01-2007 12:52 AM

Re: top 2 pair on the turn
 
I'd probably either raise or fold preflop. Villain could have almost anything here. Could be raising with nothing, thinking limping is weakness or he could have a legitimate hand.

I might just jam the turn here. Your stack is a bit above a pot sized bet. But any normal bet basically commits you to the rest of the hand. You have enough fold equity against BB to make this move. I say do it.

woohoo88 08-01-2007 06:20 AM

Re: top 2 pair on the turn
 
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I might just jam the turn here. Your stack is a bit above a pot sized bet. But any normal bet basically commits you to the rest of the hand. You have enough fold equity against BB to make this move. I say do it.

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I think a turn shove is pretty bad. We're probably ahead of villains range. He isn't folding anything that beats us. By shoving here you let him possibly get away from hands he might otherwise put more chips in being behind. Basically, allowing him to play perfectly.

I probably c/c down or maybe "block" bet the turn and call a shove. With OP's read I can see villain villain bet/raising PP's/Jx's/float bluffs with air enough to be ahead.



OP, please include the buy-in next time.

woohoo88 08-01-2007 06:23 AM

Re: top 2 pair on the turn
 
Oh, I'm also really not a fan of the call pf (complete is probably fine though).

chh 08-01-2007 06:28 AM

Re: top 2 pair on the turn
 
since our hand is a little valueable since any overcard can beat us (DUCY?), I'm c/r AI on the turn, assuming he will bet here 90% of the time.
If the board wasnt paired it would be close between cring and giving him the chance to bluff again on the river.

woohoo88 08-01-2007 06:41 AM

Re: top 2 pair on the turn
 
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since our hand is a little valueable since any overcard can beat us (DUCY?), I'm c/r AI on the turn, assuming he will bet here 90% of the time.
If the board wasnt paired it would be close between cring and giving him the chance to bluff again on the river.

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Good point. There is also the chance villain picked up a heart draw. CRAI looks good.

valence 08-01-2007 11:35 AM

Re: top 2 pair on the turn
 
buy-in 10 + 1 - 32 entrants

I called pf due to his laggyness. marginal for sure.

on the turn I checked, villain bets 2000 into 5300 pot. I raised it up to 6000. villain calls. River is a blank

Hero...?

(sorry about the lack of code here)


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