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r1tony 07-31-2007 02:53 PM

Flopped Bottom Set with KK flop. Scared play?
 
I flopped bottom set making full house. Pre-flop raise maybe AK which gets there and counterfeit my full-house. What is the proper play..?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed)
Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($52.95)
UTG ($10.25)
Hero ($58.25)
CO ($41.40)
Button ($12.45)
SB ($72.10)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $3</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls $2.50, Hero calls $2.50.

Flop: ($9.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $6</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $13</font>, SB calls $7.

Turn: ($35.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($35.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $12</font>, SB calls $12.

Final Pot: $59.50

InsideEdge 07-31-2007 02:58 PM

Re: Flopped Bottom Set with KK flop. Scared play?
 
raise pf.

make flop raise to 18 or so.

then make sure you get the rest in.

Sure his range includes AK,AA,K10, but also a ton of stuff you beat.

TheBobn 07-31-2007 03:04 PM

Re: Flopped Bottom Set with KK flop. Scared play?
 
I like either a call or bigger raise($18 as said above) on the flop, bet $22ish on the turn, because if he's floating with Ax, no one ever folds an ace there because they think you are FOS representing a king after limp/calling preflop. A call on the turn by him would make the pot 75ish, easy shove for like a 1/2 pot bet. He's going to be calling with most aces and KQ/KJ.

If you really think the villain has a pair &lt; KK and didn't call your raise on the flop with Ax or a king, then I think you played the hand very well, except maybe bump your river bet to $15-$18. However, I think most of his range here is Ax and Kx which means you lost a lot of value without a particular read.

sightless 07-31-2007 03:08 PM

Re: Flopped Bottom Set with KK flop. Scared play?
 
I tank &amp;shove river, sicne I really doubt he checks full house on river.

Also raise bigger on flop, if he has a king he is calling any kind of raise

monkover 07-31-2007 03:09 PM

Re: Flopped Bottom Set with KK flop. Scared play?
 
There are many hands in villainīs range you beat, so try to get the maximum in the middle by the river... checking the turn is bad b/c you give a free card to random kx and lower pp. valuebet more on the river.

prodonkey 07-31-2007 03:21 PM

Re: Flopped Bottom Set with KK flop. Scared play?
 
after he calls the raise on the flop I'm figuring he has a K and I can get his stack in. You need to bet like 20 on the turn so you can easily get it in on the river.

Mike Kelley 07-31-2007 03:25 PM

Re: Flopped Bottom Set with KK flop. Scared play?
 
I got stacked the other night in a similar situation with AQ on a QQ7 flop.

Reraise more on the flop, I like 18.

HBomb 07-31-2007 03:29 PM

Re: Flopped Bottom Set with KK flop. Scared play?
 
Don't play scared and bet like $20 on the turn, if he has AK or KK or something, then so be it, standard cooler then, no biggie.


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