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imlosing 07-30-2007 05:39 PM

Playing overpair on turn
 
Im really new to 2+2 and I havnt posted anything before but I am very curious to how I played this KK. Herees the Link.
http://holdemhands.org/player.php?li...kchad/Snap.txt

My question is How many of you would Raise the turn??? I seriously debated it during my thinking of this hand... Knowing full well that the player either had AA/QQ/JJ - If I raised obviously I could be beat, but is there Room to Isolate this? any suggestions would be great thanks.

KitCloudkicker 07-30-2007 05:55 PM

Re: Playing overpair on turn
 
not raising the turn w/ drawing opponent behind you in a big pot = burning money.

rafiki 07-30-2007 05:58 PM

Re: Playing overpair on turn
 
cap the flop or raise the turn

one of those 2 streets was way too passive

LukeSLTS 07-31-2007 08:47 AM

Re: Playing overpair on turn
 
I am trying to be objective, although knowing the results I might have been more timid in the actual hand. I would call the flop and then raise the turn. By preflop/flop action you know the under the gun player has a big pair. I am guessing even that retard that won the hand would be able to lay down the inside straight draw when faced with two bets on the turn.

cgrohman 07-31-2007 09:13 AM

Re: Playing overpair on turn
 
I would have raised the turn and bet the river for value.

cgrohman 07-31-2007 09:13 AM

Re: Playing overpair on turn
 
Calling on that coordinated flop with a player behind is not good.

emerson 07-31-2007 11:56 AM

Re: Playing overpair on turn
 
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Im really new to 2+2 and I havnt posted anything before but I am very curious to how I played this KK. Herees the Link.
http://holdemhands.org/player.php?li...kchad/Snap.txt

My question is How many of you would Raise the turn??? I seriously debated it during my thinking of this hand... Knowing full well that the player either had AA/QQ/JJ - If I raised obviously I could be beat, but is there Room to Isolate this? any suggestions would be great thanks.

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't know how much you can do here. The pot got so big preflop that folding with an overpair is not really an option. I don't think you should raise the turn unless you are prepaired to fold to a re-raise.

The A7 flopped an inside draw with ace overcard. Then he picked up a double gut draw on the turn. There is simply no losing him.

LukeSLTS 07-31-2007 01:08 PM

Re: Playing overpair on turn
 
I have to disagree with you on four betting the flop. The person drawing has already called two flop bets after the first raise so you aren't going to lose him by capping. Facing the drawing hand with two bets on the turn is the only way to get him to drop I would figure is some kind of pair w/a straight draw. In this particular case the drawing hand had the odds to continue on the turn but you must make him pay the max and waiting to raise the turn is the way to do it.

rafiki 07-31-2007 02:02 PM

Re: Playing overpair on turn
 
capping can be for value also btw...

cgrohman 07-31-2007 02:12 PM

Re: Playing overpair on turn
 
He should be raising the turn for value and should call down a re-raise as QQ might very well 3 bet him there. Of course there is no losing some dude who calls there with A7, but that is being results oriented.


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