What to do with Dealers that don\'t enforce rules?
 

I apologize as I'm pretty sure this has been a topic before. But what do you do when Dealers don't reprimand players for mucking out of turn, or mucking their cards face up when the hand is still live?

I generally NEVER like to complain if I'm not involved in a hand, and will usually not say a word. However, at Commerce this past weekend, was dealing with a couple of guys that would constantly muck their hands face up, even with action still live. They were obviously friends, and a few of those times, one would muck face up when the other was still in the hand. They obviously were good enough players that they knew what they were doing wasn't ethical. I didn't want to wait for a situation where I WAS in the hand and this happened, so I said something to the effect of "when you muck your hand, how about you muck it when it's your turn to act, and muck it face down like everyone else at the table?". One guy shot back at me that "hey everyone can see it, so what's the difference", and the Dealer did not get involved whatsoever. I didn't want to be a pain and call for Floor, but would that have been the correct course of action? Or should I have just requested a table change?

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The dealer was probably doing alright with tips and the table was proceeding at a good clip and everybody's having fun (except you). Mucking out of turn and mucking face up are not serious enough to affect an average game so why would dealer stir up the pot.

And really, what affect is this having on you? I would have kept quiet and tried to figure out how to exploit the situation.

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If you're at a huge room like Commerce, why not just ask for a table change?

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The dealer was probably doing alright with tips

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Yeah. How dare OP interfere with the dealer's chance to make tips, just because the dealer wasn't doing his job? What nerve.

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The dealer was probably doing alright with tips and the table was proceeding at a good clip and everybody's having fun (except you). Mucking out of turn and mucking face up are not serious enough to affect an average game so why would dealer stir up the pot.

And really, what affect is this having on you? I would have kept quiet and tried to figure out how to exploit the situation.

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I have met my polar opposite! Hello, polar opposite!

As you might suppose I completely disagree with you. Those types of things affect the game in a significant way. That's why they are against the rules. So let's see: I won't tip that dealer, I'd tell those guys to cut it out, and I'd call the floor as often as necessary to make them stop.

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The dealer was probably doing alright with tips and the table was proceeding at a good clip and everybody's having fun (except you). Mucking out of turn and mucking face up are not serious enough to affect an average game so why would dealer stir up the pot.

And really, what affect is this having on you? I would have kept quiet and tried to figure out how to exploit the situation.

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OH HELL NO!!!
are you kidding?! your a poker player right?! your playing to make money right?!
no chance in hell i would let this go down even once without ME saying something to the guy (politely) but i would say something. if the guy or guys did it again, thats when i get a little pissed and tell the dealer if he/she doesnt correct the situation, im calling the floor!
this type of behavior is acceptable in a home game. but when your at a casino, thats what the dealer is paid to do. to ensure the game is run fairly and by the rules! i.e. mucking out of turn and mucking face up!
both of those violations give other players at the table information THEY ARE NOT ENTITLED to! i dont care if everyone see's it, its an action killer. and i for one, wouldnt stand for it!!

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only a donkey or a timid little girl would accept this and allow it to take place at a game they are in!

thats ridiculous!....move???!!!....my a$$!

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The dealer was probably doing alright with tips

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Yeah. How dare OP interfere with the dealer's chance to make tips, just because the dealer wasn't doing his job? What nerve.

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You have to remember this took place at Commerce. The dealer also has to consider who is most likely to assault him for speaking up or not speaking up.

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Wow, I haven't had a reaction to a post of mine like that for a while. You guys kinda just woke me up.

I'll slough off the dealer aspect and say, yes most dealers should run their table properly. However, I have seen games where a group of buddies are having fun, feeding the dealer well and there is general good air around the table. And I'm sure if some nit complained the dealer would fix it and the air around the table would change. But that's neither here nor there.

I am really curious about how you guys figure you are being put at some disadvantage here? Would you just try to get the proper procedures in place because they are rules or are you feeling cheated or otherwise -EV?

Are you saying you can't exploit this situation?

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The dealer was probably doing alright with tips

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Yeah. How dare OP interfere with the dealer's chance to make tips, just because the dealer wasn't doing his job? What nerve.

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You have to remember this took place at Commerce. The dealer also has to consider who is most likely to assault him for speaking up or not speaking up.

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