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stanek 07-30-2007 12:59 AM

Numbers in a Triangle: Curious Question
 
Assume we arrange numbers in a triage like this,
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2 3
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Is it possible to create a formula(s) to find where X lies in the triangle? ie x=9 is row 4 position 3(or 5)

I am curious as to how this is done. Ive searched google for numbered triangles and all that I can find is Pascals triangle, which isn't the same thing.

Is there a name for numbers arranged this way?

Right now I think that finding the row would be a function involving the square root and the column(positon) a mod function.

Any help in the right direction to figuring this out would be appreciated. Thanks

jay_shark 07-30-2007 01:41 AM

Re: Numbers in a Triangle: Curious Question
 
All the triangular numbers are easy to work with .
1=1*2/2 is in the first position , first row
3=3*2/2 is in the second position ,second row
6=4*3/2 is in the third position , third row
10=5*4/2 is in the fourth position , fourth row .

Notice that
2c2+2 =3c2
3c2+3 =4c2
4c2+4 =5c2
5c2+5 =6c2
Now every number in between two successive triangular numbers can be identified relatively easy using Mod Arithmetic . The position of a number in a row becomes the remainder if we can identify the two successive triangular numbers .

Take 151 . Multiply this number by 2 and take the square root of it . Now take the least integer value which is 17 and add 1 to it which should tell you what row this number is in .
17*16/2 = 136 and so 151-136 =15 tells you the position of that number along the row . Here is the formula or generalization which computes the row first and then the position along the row .

([sqrt(2x)] + 1 , x- [sqrt(2x)]*([sqrt(2x)]-1)/2 )

stanek 07-30-2007 02:01 AM

Re: Numbers in a Triangle: Curious Question
 
Awesome! Thanks for the extra insight into the combination stuff, I'll look into it also.

I thought it was easy but I couldn't quite figure it myself. I was close though.

Thanks for answering everything and then some.

jay_shark 07-30-2007 02:28 AM

Re: Numbers in a Triangle: Curious Question
 
Let me also clarify that you should take the greatest integer value if the number is closest to the first integer greater than x . Otherwise you use the least integer value function which is the greatest integer less than the value x .

Or, just round the number to the closest positive integer .

[sqrt(11*2)]=5 which is the 5th row .
[sqrt(10*2)] =4 which is the 4th row .


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