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bigslicknuts 07-29-2007 05:41 PM

NL50 - QQ Raises Flops and Coldcalled Behind
 
Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 9 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $118.55
BB: $34.20
UTG: $51.25
UTG+1: $88.05
Hero (MP1): $48.75
MP2: $51.70
MP3: $88.10
CO: $50.00
BTN: $42.80

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (9 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.00</font>, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $2.00, CO folds, BTN calls $2.00, SB folds, BB calls $1.50

Flop: ($8.25) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $5.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $15.00</font>, MP3 folds, BTN calls $15.00, <font color="red">BB raises all-in to $32.20</font>

I assume the raise on the flop is the right line, when I get coldcalled behind, and then shoved back into can I safely fold or do I call hoping they are both on draws and maybe an AJ? Whats your lines, I didn't have stats on either opponents.

leatangclan 07-29-2007 05:58 PM

Re: NL50 - QQ Raises Flops and Coldcalled Behind
 
Since BB is the shortstack, without reads I would have to assume he is calling with a hand. His range can be JJ, TT, JT suited. Yeah, AJ suited is possible, but unless he is real loose, he probably is not going to get it all in with jacks after he's been raised with 3 bets. I thoguth what you did was fine. I personally would fold here without any reads on the shortstack.

Renton 07-29-2007 06:25 PM

Re: NL50 - QQ Raises Flops and Coldcalled Behind
 
when facing that bet you need to have a plan. It needs to either be smooth calling to reevaluate the turn, or it needs to be committing to the pot with a raise (i.e. and then calling a push).

The pot odds you are getting here are just irresistable. You should have made a bigger raise (to like 18) so it wouldn't even be a tough decision at all as to whether to go with the hand.

Cliff notes: raise more on the flop, call a push. Otherwise smooth call flop.

ToomuchCoffee 07-29-2007 06:41 PM

Re: NL50 - QQ Raises Flops and Coldcalled Behind
 
I would fold here. BTN is who scares me, what hand could coldcall your raise here? You are not good against 2 opponents here very often, or letīs say close to never.

jessyj07 07-29-2007 06:50 PM

Re: NL50 - QQ Raises Flops and Coldcalled Behind
 
[ QUOTE ]
when facing that bet you need to have a plan. It needs to either be smooth calling to reevaluate the turn, or it needs to be committing to the pot with a raise (i.e. and then calling a push).

The pot odds you are getting here are just irresistable. You should have made a bigger raise (to like 18) so it wouldn't even be a tough decision at all as to whether to go with the hand.

[/ QUOTE ]Don't you rethink your plan when somebody cold calls behind you? Of course this is an easy call if it's HU.

Renton 07-29-2007 06:56 PM

Re: NL50 - QQ Raises Flops and Coldcalled Behind
 
no you don't, because you'll still be getting the same pot odds.

If you are folding overpairs on drawy board getting these kind of prices, you are losing money. Hero is almost priced in to call if he KNOWS villain has JT.

Berge20 07-29-2007 06:56 PM

Re: NL50 - QQ Raises Flops and Coldcalled Behind
 
I personally think that cold-call is far more often a flush draw than a monster.

Grumbo 07-29-2007 07:24 PM

Re: NL50 - QQ Raises Flops and Coldcalled Behind
 
[ QUOTE ]
I personally think that cold-call is far more often a flush draw than a monster.

[/ QUOTE ]

ToomuchCoffee 07-29-2007 07:25 PM

Re: NL50 - QQ Raises Flops and Coldcalled Behind
 
You think BTN calls a 15$ reraise on a pot of 8$ with the first raiser still to act, with a flushdraw?

Berge20 07-29-2007 08:46 PM

Re: NL50 - QQ Raises Flops and Coldcalled Behind
 
I'm not saying it's a good play, but in my experience that is the case.


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