Is this preflop QQ fold standard?
 

I have 10k hands on CO. He is 15/11/3, steals 22% of blinds, and is running at 5PTBB/100.



Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $106.53
BB: $93.38
Hero (UTG): $104.00
MP: $59.26
CO: $159.22
BTN: $204.03

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $4.00</font>, MP folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $12.00</font>, 4 folds

Re: Is this preflop QQ fold standard?
 

what's his flop stats? this looks like a 3 bet/ fold to 4 bet.

Re: Is this preflop QQ fold standard?
 

I guess it really matters if you can win his whole stack if you hit your set. Many other people will say fold but I call and take a shot here.

Re: Is this preflop QQ fold standard?
 

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/750/32317891wm4.jpg

Re: Is this preflop QQ fold standard?
 

No, it's not standard. Villian's range is TT+,AQs+,AKo, or thereabouts, and you're getting 2:1 in a spot where you've got 40-50% equity = Bad fold.

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No, it's not standard. Villian's range is TT+,AQs+,AKo, or thereabouts, and you're getting 2:1 in a spot where you've got 40-50% equity = Bad fold.

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If he is 15/11 his range is probably JJ+/AK. With that said I'd always call here and re-evaluate the flop.

Re: Is this preflop QQ fold standard?
 

This is definitely a call.

What are those stats imported from?

Re: Is this preflop QQ fold standard?
 

Lol I thought this was a level at first... call.

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No, it's not standard. Villian's range is TT+,AQs+,AKo, or thereabouts, and you're getting 2:1 in a spot where you've got 40-50% equity = Bad fold.

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If he is 15/11 his range is probably JJ+/AK. With that said I'd always call here and re-evaluate the flop.

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Lol I thought this was a level at first... call.

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This is definitely a call.

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OK. imo a range of JJ+/AK is very accurate. We're still -EV versus this range. wth are we going to do on the flop? Unless we have some really solid reads on him then we're screwed imo. Do we think he's giving up with whiffed AK to a single Cbet every time? Are we committing on low flops? If we check how many bets are we calling?

Yes we're getting 2:1 preflop , but we are neutral EV versus his range. Even if we add AQ/TT into his range, making us slightly +EV, I cannot see any possible line that we can take postflop that is not spew versus his overall range. Coinflip in position = +EV; Coinflip OOP = -EV.

Position would change everything. But we're OOP and his range is very narrow - imo no matter how skilled we are, this spot is too fundamentally bad to salvage any value.

Re: Is this preflop QQ fold standard?
 

You have the implied odds to call just for set value imho..