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EricCardman32 07-27-2007 08:37 AM

strong turn draw
 
not much history with villain...just one hand with him, dunno if it helps.
I raise to 4$ with KQ he coldcalls. flop is like K97 with possible flushdraw. I bet out 7 in 9$pot. he makes it 20, I make 58 or sth he folds.
I guess hes TAG, but not sure.

At first, my flop call is very debatable I guess?

But given I play the flop like that, whats my turn play?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($84.92)
Hero ($124.38)
BB ($101.50)
UTG ($99.83)
MP ($104)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, BB calls $3.

Flop: ($8) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $15</font>, Hero calls $10.

Turn: ($38) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $27</font>, Hero ?

kindju 07-27-2007 08:46 AM

Re: strong turn draw
 
A shove here is fine.
Because the Ad is on the board he's less likely to be on a flush draw. I'm not worried about a FH.
So we probably have at least 16 outs and some FE since villain could very well be bluffing here.
I didn't run the numbers but a gross estimate makes me think a shove is eV+.

Keitan 07-27-2007 08:56 AM

Re: strong turn draw
 
I shove here. I'd have probably checked flop, I think his line would stay the same, but our c/r on turn would look scarier increasing FE.

Jamougha 07-27-2007 09:34 AM

Re: strong turn draw
 
No idea why you would want to shove here. Call. Flop fold would be reasonable with the paired board.

Keitan 07-27-2007 10:08 AM

Re: strong turn draw
 
I don't mind folding flop if we didn't lead, but otherwise is weak imo. Shove cuz I think he's bluffing here enough times, and may even fold a A10, AJ, possibly AQ but unlikely.

Hattifnatt 07-27-2007 10:22 AM

Re: strong turn draw
 
I'm not a fan of c/c a draw twice but this is a good spot to do so. If it was 2/4 or higher I woulda prefer a shove.


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