Underpair in four bet pot NL 200, is c/c good?
 

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $195.00
BB: $757.15
UTG: $222.30
MP: $142.55
CO: $244.80
Hero (BTN): $199.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $6.00</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $16.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $36.00</font>, 3 folds, CO calls $20.00

Flop: ($81) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($81) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">CO bets $46.00</font>, Hero calls $46.00

River: ($173) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">CO bets $68.00</font>, Hero calls $68.00

Pot Size: $309.00 ($3 Rake)

raiser 67/33/2.5/21 hands
reraiser 49/17/4.7/35 hands

Reraiser doesn't get too out of line in four bet or even three bet pots oop.
Is a flop c bet good? I didn't think so against his range.
On turn, I felt like I had good equity against his range.
After the fact, I ran some poker stove numbers. Is my call there good?
I don't think the river is interesting. I am priced into calling. I would not have known what to do against a shove there.

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i'd be much more keen to call PF, because:
a) it gives your better position more opportunity to take effect
b) it re-opens more action
c) even if you're behind, it gives you odds for sets
d) it keeps the pot smaller, which is better 'cause you don't have a huge hand
e) i think you have little fold equity in that situation

however, as played, you're giving up the leading position by checking behind on that flop. by calling down, you're losing the maximum against hands you lose to, and winning the minimum from hands you beat. in addition, you obviously have no fold equity.


on the river, you're really priced into calling. 5:1 is good.


*disclaimer: i may suck

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I think you have to bet at least $60 on this flop. I would never check in this situation. You could easily have the best hand. Plus, by checking after your reraise you show weakness and therefore you don't know what his turn bet means.

Re: Underpair in four bet pot NL 200, is c/c good?
 

Not a fan of the preflop or flop.

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Not a fan of the preflop or flop.

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Preflop, his little rr seemed somewhat suspicious as if his hand wasn't really that strong. He definately could be on an isolation play. I didn't want to let the original raiser come in cheap with little pairs to hit a set.
I also didn't want to completely price him out as I wanted him to call my four bet with say 66+, AT+ just cause he sucks postflop.
When the rr called, I didn't see many hands in his range that can call the four bet that call my bet there which I beat or him folding anything that i am ahead of.
Also, I was concerned that there was some chance he might shove AK and I would have folded then. He can be very aggressive as his stats indicate.

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I think this is fine.

Those who want to cold-call per-flop: lol turn-hand-face-up-aments.

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if you check the flop, you need to call both of these bets.
vs. a river shove, you could probably vomit and fold.

I think you can safely bet this flop and then shutdown if he comes with you.

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if you check the flop, you need to call both of these bets.
vs. a river shove, you could probably vomit and fold.

I think you can safely bet this flop and then shutdown if he comes with you.

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Given villain's stats, inducing bluffs is way more valuable than taking a stab once and then folding to turn/river aggression.

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i'd be much more keen to call PF, because:
a) it gives your better position more opportunity to take effect
b) it re-opens more action
c) even if you're behind, it gives you odds for sets
d) it keeps the pot smaller, which is better 'cause you don't have a huge hand
e) i think you have little fold equity in that situation

however, as played, you're giving up the leading position by checking behind on that flop. by calling down, you're losing the maximum against hands you lose to, and winning the minimum from hands you beat. in addition, you obviously have no fold equity.


on the river, you're really priced into calling. 5:1 is good.


*disclaimer: i may suck

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LOL at your disclaimer Josem. Thanks for the reply.
I think that since he is often trying to isolate the raiser, since I KNOW I was, he folds Ax, Kx, hands pretty often as well as some pairs I beat but am not looking to let hit a set cheaply since he is so aggressive postflop.
So I think I had fold equity pf. On the turn, I think that I DO get action from pairs, and AK hands that I beat. However, I may let a diamond draw see the river on the cheap, but that is actually a small part of his range imo.
Still think my play was bad?

Bilbosan, I like how you think sir. I will now read your other threads to gleam further wisdom.