Difficult river spot
 

All in player is absolutely terrible so i wasnt really worried about him. What is my play when BB checks to me on river? especially that he lead into 5 limpers with a pot sized bet on flop

PokerStars Game #11052887477: Hold'em No Limit ($25/$50) - 2007/07/21 - 08:00:17 (ET)
Table 'Prokne' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: B Buddy ($16042 in chips)
Seat 2: hotmark777 ($10543 in chips)
Seat 3: play2kill ($4775 in chips)
Seat 4: Born2DogBaby ($13618 in chips)
Seat 5: ely_cash41 ($2918 in chips)
Seat 6: moont1978 ($1812 in chips)
Seat 7: Kardius ($8861 in chips)
Seat 8: PaintedBird ($2580 in chips)
Seat 9: tjbentham ($6438 in chips)
play2kill: posts small blind $25
Born2DogBaby: posts big blind $50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hotmark777 [Qs Jc]
ely_cash41: folds
moont1978: calls $50
Kardius: calls $50
PaintedBird: folds
tjbentham: folds
B Buddy: calls $50
hotmark777: calls $50
play2kill: folds
Born2DogBaby: checks
*** FLOP *** [5d Qd 9h]
Born2DogBaby: bets $250
moont1978: calls $250
Kardius: calls $250
B Buddy: folds
hotmark777: calls $250
*** TURN *** [5d Qd 9h] [Qh]
Born2DogBaby: checks
moont1978: bets $1512 and is all-in
Kardius: folds
hotmark777: calls $1512
Born2DogBaby: calls $1512
*** RIVER *** [5d Qd 9h Qh] [7c]
Born2DogBaby: checks

Re: Difficult river spot
 

raise the turn. value bet the river.

Re: Difficult river spot
 

I think his calling range is probably significantly tightened due to the all in player, so I don't see much value in betting. I think you can only value bet this vs poor passive players.

Re: Difficult river spot
 

he would have to be a really bad player for me to value bet river here.

Re: Difficult river spot
 

sick, but i think i check behind a lot here

Re: Difficult river spot
 

sell him a map to valuetown?

Re: Difficult river spot
 

Instacheck river. If anything a bet might get KQ to fold. I think flop and turn are more interesting. I like a fold on the flop and I would lean toward a fold on the turn but its close. You really have that little respect for your opponents?

Re: Difficult river spot
 

wow that moont guy is SO freaking terrible.... he literally does not fold preflop ever. NMcNasty are you seriously folding the flop? that seems insanely conservative. i do think folding on the turn is reasonable, facing the all in and then having to worry about other villain behind you. as played i check river

Re: Difficult river spot
 

Definitely fold flop, probably check behind river against born.

Re: Difficult river spot
 

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wow that moont guy is SO freaking terrible.... he literally does not fold preflop ever. NMcNasty are you seriously folding the flop? that seems insanely conservative. i do think folding on the turn is reasonable, facing the all in and then having to worry about other villain behind you. as played i check river

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Its tough, the idiot being in the hand messes everything up. Normally a decent player betting out the flop like that means QT or better almost always, and then the callers would either have better hands or strong draws. I don't think your hand would be strong enough to bet or call on another street, so not only would the turn and river have to be checked down but you would have to dodge all kinds draws in the case your hand is actually good. When its bad to begin with which is usually the case imo you are drawing very slim. If you really think moon is that bad it might mean that born2dog is going to value-bet more queens, and the caller behind might have some weaker draws, so I guess I could see some argument for calling. If its given that the flop is a call then I guess the turn would have to be a call, but the river is still always a check imo.