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Etats360 07-15-2007 07:35 PM

2nd set on drawy board
 
No real reads on villian except UTG seemed pretty taggish.
It's $131 for me to call

Poker Stars
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $252.55
UTG+1: $59
CO: $170.85
Button: $1317.50
hero: $379.35
BB: $200

Pre-flop: (6 players) hero is SB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, Button calls, hero calls, BB checks.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($10, 5 players)
<font color="#cc0000">hero bets $6</font>, BB folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $27.5</font>, CO calls, Button folds, <font color="#cc0000">hero raises to $119.5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises all-in $250.55</font>, hero?

edit:i don't know why it's not showing up on the converter, but CO called the all in

sc000t 07-15-2007 07:43 PM

Re: 2nd set on drawy board
 
Ummm call.

oneouterson 07-15-2007 08:00 PM

Re: 2nd set on drawy board
 
insta call.

Etats360 07-15-2007 08:13 PM

Re: 2nd set on drawy board
 
thanks for the replies. I shoved and one outered UTG's top set. BTW, what kind of ranges would you give the two villians?

CrushinFelt 07-15-2007 08:20 PM

Re: 2nd set on drawy board
 
If it were a raised pot and then you lead the flop and get raised you can probably widen the range of UTG. CO clearly has a draw. Being that it's a limped pot, this is probably a fairly safe place to fold because best-case you're up against top-two and a big draw or two big draws that have each other's outs. I dunno, I probably think for a long time and muck.

piiop 07-15-2007 08:28 PM

Re: 2nd set on drawy board
 
obv the way you got there you have call his final raise

your question should be about these two spots[ QUOTE ]
hero bets $6, BB folds, UTG raises to $27.5, CO calls, Button folds, hero raises to $119.5

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Etats360 07-15-2007 08:31 PM

Re: 2nd set on drawy board
 
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obv the way you got there you have call his final raise

your question should be about these two spots[ QUOTE ]
hero bets $6, BB folds, UTG raises to $27.5, CO calls, Button folds, hero raises to $119.5

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I meant to lead pot first time around. Are you saying I should have folded/flat called UTG's raise?

Slap My Jack 07-15-2007 08:33 PM

Re: 2nd set on drawy board
 
Pot the flop.

piiop 07-16-2007 03:20 PM

Re: 2nd set on drawy board
 
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I meant to lead pot first time around.

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Not really a big deal between potting and betting 6. But you should think about how the hand is going to play out when you lead into 4 other players from the SB with 2nd set, no draws, on a drawy board in an unraised pot.

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Are you saying I should have folded/flat called UTG's raise?

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Once UTG pot raises and CO cold-calls, what hand range do you put them on? How do you think you do equity-wise against that range? Do you think either will fold if you reraise?

Etats360 07-16-2007 05:06 PM

Re: 2nd set on drawy board
 
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I meant to lead pot first time around.

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Not really a big deal between potting and betting 6. But you should think about how the hand is going to play out when you lead into 4 other players from the SB with 2nd set, no draws, on a drawy board in an unraised pot.

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so you're saying going for a c/raise is better? I don't want to risk giving away a free card because so many turn cards hurt my hand. I also find that it is very hard to get to the turn without a very awkward effective stack/pot size ratio here. Or c/c and lead a safe turn is better?

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Are you saying I should have folded/flat called UTG's raise?

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Once UTG pot raises and CO cold-calls, what hand range do you put them on? How do you think you do equity-wise against that range? Do you think either will fold if you reraise?

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I'm not sure, that's why I posted. I know I have 0 FE here. I might be looking at TTxx, T9xx, 33xx, wraps, overpair+FD type hands? I'm not sure how I'm doing equity wise here, but shouyld I have folded, thinking CO has a draw and UTG has a made hand that has me blocked/dominated?


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