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BeattysLuck 07-13-2007 04:33 PM

$16 Stars: AKs any other line to take?
 
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB (t1250)
BB (t2500)
UTG (t1470)
UTG+1 (t1480)
MP1 (t1700)
MP2 (t1390)
Hero (t1470)
CO (t960)
Button (t1280)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif.
4 folds</font>, Hero raises to t90</font>, CO calls t90, Button calls t90, 2 folds</font>.

Flop: (t315) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (3 players)</font>
Hero checks, CO checks, Button checks.

Turn: (t315) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif(3 players)</font>
Hero bets t270</font>, CO calls t270, Button calls t270.

River: (t1125) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (3 players)</font>
Hero checks, CO bets t180</font>, Button calls t180, Hero calls t180.

Final Pot: t1665

No reads on either of these guys. How does it look?

kevstreet 07-13-2007 04:37 PM

Re: $16 Stars: AKs any other line to take?
 
I think it's fine.

willperkins 07-13-2007 05:29 PM

Re: $16 Stars: AKs any other line to take?
 
Since you have no reads, I will assume these two play fairly tight:


Preflop:
CO calls preflop with?
AK, AQs, QQ-77 (I assume he would raise with AA-KK)

Button calls a raise and a call with:
AK, AA-77 (he probably would raise with AA-KK, but maybe not)

Flop:
Some would lead out with a continuation bet, I would have checked as you did. Both players also check which means they both probably don't have a jack.

Turn:
Both call you. They must put you on AK, AQ, AJ or maybe ATs by now. Since the Ah came on the flop, I can't see a made flush because they would have called you preflop without the nut flush draw. That leaves AK, AQ, JJ, 88 or maybe 55 as possible holdings.

River: A brick
CO bets a measley t180 into t1125 offering the button 6.25 to 1. He either has a monster or has AK, AQ and wants to keep it small. Button probably has AK or AQ and is happy to call.

You are getting 8.25 to one and have TPTK, you have to call

darks 07-13-2007 05:38 PM

Re: $16 Stars: AKs any other line to take?
 
willperkins said it all [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

CheeseMoney 07-13-2007 08:46 PM

Re: $16 Stars: AKs any other line to take?
 
You raised to 90, so 22-66 are also easily a part of his range.

drzen 07-14-2007 04:54 AM

Re: $16 Stars: AKs any other line to take?
 
[ QUOTE ]
Since you have no reads, I will assume these two play fairly tight:

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Why?

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Preflop:
CO calls preflop with?
AK, AQs, QQ-77 (I assume he would raise with AA-KK)

Button calls a raise and a call with:
AK, AA-77 (he probably would raise with AA-KK, but maybe not)

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I think this is way, way too tight. We only raised to 3BB. Even if CO was that tight, Button's range should be wider, not narrower. He's getting better odds.

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Flop:
Some would lead out with a continuation bet, I would have checked as you did. Both players also check which means they both probably don't have a jack.

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I think a cbet is going to win quite often on this flop.

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Turn:
Both call you. They must put you on AK, AQ, AJ or maybe ATs by now. Since the Ah came on the flop, I can't see a made flush because they would have called you preflop without the nut flush draw.

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Does this buyin play quite tight then? I'd count out 7h6h (surely bets flop) and Th9h (ditto) but KhQh is possible.



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That leaves AK, AQ, JJ, 88 or maybe 55 as possible holdings.

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The next monkey who calls a 3BB raise with AT/A9 or worse will not be the first!

I'd be pretty scared at this point though. Against one caller, well, maybe that's okay, but I don't think I'm beating them both.

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River: A brick
CO bets a measley t180 into t1125 offering the button 6.25 to 1. He either has a monster or has AK, AQ and wants to keep it small. Button probably has AK or AQ and is happy to call.

You are getting 8.25 to one and have TPTK, you have to call

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We can't all have AK. I'm calling but I expect CO to show me a big hand and Button an ace of some kind. But I wouldn't be at all surprised to see CO show up with A8 or some chit like that.

I'd have raised a bit more preflop. As played, I'd definitely cbet the flop, but I don't think there was much wrong with OP's line.

AMT 07-14-2007 04:56 AM

Re: $16 Stars: AKs any other line to take?
 
looks fine, nh.

sence25 07-14-2007 05:57 AM

Re: $16 Stars: AKs any other line to take?
 
why not bet the river for like 300?

DeuceSeven 07-14-2007 06:34 AM

Re: $16 Stars: AKs any other line to take?
 
Preflop, flop, and turn are fine. I'd like to see at least a 600 river bet.


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