6.50 stars....ICM says push, would you?
 

SNGWiz gives this a Call (push actually for the extra 95 chips...ranges are 17.7 for original raiser (after I loosened him just a little) and 22.3 for the SB (again loosened just a little). Sorry, there's no way I'm calling/shoving here, best case scenario one of them has 88 or lower pair, often I'm the one dominated or dodging just about every overcard. Thoughts??

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Hero (t1705)
UTG (t3230)
MP (t1635)
CO (t5235)
Button (t310)
SB (t1385)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t1000</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t1360</font>, Hero?????

Re: 6.50 stars....ICM says push, would you?
 

distant possibility your shove chases away the UTG raiser and you get to play HU with a fat fat overlay. Either way here you often see both these two players stealing one another's outs. We msut consider this possibly being your best spot to get the money in with a legitimate hand. You put it in here and stand to chip up to 5700 making you the big stack, knocking out a player and getting to pwn the bubble. But against two opponents at a low limit sng I would fold here b/c I know we can exploit these players in less marginal situations later.

Re: 6.50 stars....ICM says push, would you?
 

Your ranges seem too wide. You think SB is calling with Q8s, JTo, A3s?

You think UTG is raising with J9s there?

Re: 6.50 stars....ICM says push, would you?
 

I dont have sngwiz. Are you ranges 17.7% for UG and 22.3% for sb? If yes, they are way off. Try putting each of your oppoents on 8-9% and see what you get for a range. This should be a very easy fold.

Re: 6.50 stars....ICM says push, would you?
 

Yeah I don't get the ranges either. It is a pretty clear fold against 20/10 though.

Re: 6.50 stars....ICM says push, would you?
 

Sb was very loose...actually his cards were outside that range, so I should have widened it even more. I'll try tightening the original raiser but at the 6.50s these guys are idiots.

Re: 6.50 stars....ICM says push, would you?
 

You should not tighten ranges after you see the cards. You have to estimate their ranges (as if you were playing the hand and on the clock) and then see if shoving is correct based on estimated ranges. 17% includes gems such as 55, A8o, KTo. People just don't open raise to 1000 with these types of hands, and once they open raise, they are not folding to your push so make sure to put in zero FE. Good luck.

Re: 6.50 stars....ICM says push, would you?
 

hell no i am not calling there

Re: 6.50 stars....ICM says push, would you?
 

ICM says push? Your software must be infected... or you forgot that no one overpushes with T9s, K9o, Q8s K7s, or A3s on a UTG push for 1000. That SB range has gotta be more like 9-10%

Re: 6.50 stars....ICM says push, would you?
 

I widened the SB because he was retarded. He ended up showing T6o. UTG was a little loose but maybe I overestimated that one...Wiz's default range was 16. But yeah, I'm ok with SB's range. But yeah given the ranges above, and the default ranges Wiz gave it was a push.