Fold on flop ? turn ?
 

B2B 1/2 (6 handed)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP folds, CO folds, BU calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, MP folds, SB calls

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB calls, Hero calls.

River: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: many BB

Where is the fold ?
On the flop ? or the turn ?
I decided to cold-call 2 bets with top pair + gutshot; was it a mistake ?

On the turn, I was planning to fold if BB raised, but he never did, then I chose to calldown (hesitated to fold the river though)

Thx for your advice

Re: Fold on flop ? turn ?
 

guess we cant fold the flop huh getting 7:1 or 5.5:1 at worst if its capped... argghhh tough hand.

i guess i play it the same, quite a parlay tho sb has like 9x or JT (hes less likely to be weak here than if MP folded, if MP folded id feel a bit better or if the pot was unraised preflop) and bb has JT or QJ or something (hed probably play both of those this way perhaps tho or Jxs)?

Re: Fold on flop ? turn ?
 

the only thing not standard about this hand is that you didn't include pot size like the pretty converters do

Re: Fold on flop ? turn ?
 

River is really the only place you can fold, I think. But without a read, that's pretty tough to do getting what 14-15:1? so I call.

Re: Fold on flop ? turn ?
 

I don't play qjo utg in 6 max.

In this hand I try to showdown as cheaply as possible. With the top pair and srt8 draw you're going nowhere.

Re: Fold on flop ? turn ?
 

yeah i muck preflop too, do u danza?

Re: Fold on flop ? turn ?
 

depends on what i have been raising and from where. if i've shown down something like K5ss then yeah i muck, if i haven't, i raise.

Re: Fold on flop ? turn ?
 

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fold PF and this nightmare never happens

Re: Fold on flop ? turn ?
 

Meh, I play it the same. Also, I raise QJo utg with some regularity, though I probably wouldn't at 1/2 where something like A6o is likely to cold call in the HJ.

Re: Fold on flop ? turn ?
 

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Meh, I play it the same. Also, I raise QJo utg with some regularity, though I probably wouldn't at 1/2 where something like A6o is likely to cold call in the HJ.

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QJo, KTo, QTo, KJo, all losers UTG in tough 6max games.