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Fractured_simile 07-03-2007 09:48 AM

Help me evaluate a bluff
 
played this hand earlier:

Cryptologic
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.15/$0.25
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $26.86
Hero: $37.69
CO: $31.18
Button: $23.05
SB: $24.10
BB: $22.78

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-conte...c-cards/ah.png http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-conte...c-cards/jh.png
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $0.75</font>, CO folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $2.25</font>, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $6.75</font>, Button calls.

Flop: http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-conte...c-cards/8h.png http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-conte...c-cards/9s.png http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-conte...c-cards/7c.png ($13.9, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $7.5</font>, Button folds.
Uncalled bets: $7.5 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $13.9

villain is pretty fishy 45/13/2.5 over 45 hands. This is not a standard line for me, villain had over-3bet raises he percieved as weak (donk min raises and those from players with high raising frequency) from the button 4-5 times in this session, once against me already, so my read was a marginal hand of some kind &lt;QQ-AK (not the best range I know). was hoping to take it down pre or on flop unless he struck gold and played back. My question is: should I be pleased with this or was it spewing?

relativity_x 07-03-2007 10:02 AM

Re: Help me evaluate a bluff
 
If he had been 3betting a lot, this is fine. I'd bet more on the flop closer to 9 dollars. Looks like a standard cbet. Obviously, he had nothing.

boycalledroy 07-03-2007 10:04 AM

Re: Help me evaluate a bluff
 
This is pretty much standard of the most standard play. You are pre-flop raiser. You have 3-bet a guy who just called. The flop has come very scary, for him as well remember and you lead out into it. There are so many hands you could have here that it is not worth his while trying to play with you.

This ain't really a bluff its just standard play.

Seikeau 07-03-2007 10:05 AM

Re: Help me evaluate a bluff
 
When you say donk, do you mean villain doesn't fold often? If so this is probably a spew, if he is a thinking but overaggro type donk, then the bluff makes kinda sense. I think fold pf is the best play because you don't want to play a semi-weak ace OOP in a reraised pot because if he has an ace it's probably a better one and if he doesn't he's not paying you of.

I tend to do this against people who are raising (or annoying) me a lot, but honestly I think most of the time you are going to get raised on the flop.

Try not to post the outcome of the hand tho, makes analysing a lot more objective.

Edit: If you do 3bet preflop, flop bet is obviously standard.

Fractured_simile 07-03-2007 10:52 AM

Re: Help me evaluate a bluff
 
this is prob wrong, but i refer to any1&gt;40% VP$Ip as a donk. not a terrible player as such i suppose, he claimed to fold QQ on a dry K high flop to my button steal, but thats hardly world class. I expected to get called by TP, JJ+.

will be more careful with hand histories, thanks. but did I not 4 bet him pre, or doesn't BB count? just wanted others views on whether this was a good spot for that play, should've been clearer in OP really.

Seikeau 07-03-2007 12:11 PM

Re: Help me evaluate a bluff
 
Sorry, yeah that is a 4bet, my mistake.

monkover 07-03-2007 12:18 PM

Re: Help me evaluate a bluff
 
4 betting preflop oop is really nasty. you turned your hand into a bluff. i.e. your hand here didnīt matter. you basically bluffed preflop and fired another barrel on the flop.


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