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Allday Everyday 06-30-2007 12:48 PM

QJ suey from C/O. Is this river decision easy?
 
How did I go in this hand? I struggle with river decisions such as this one. But is it even close?

10/20 Online. 7 handed. Each player in the hand is a decent player who doesn't get out of line often.

Preflop: Hero has Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. (7 players).
UTG folds, EP limps, EP2 limps, Hero raises, Button cold-calls, SB folds, BB folds, EP calls, EP2 calls.

Flop: A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. (4 players).
EP checks, EP2 checks, Hero bets, Button folds, EP calls, EP2 calls.

Turn: T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. (3 players).
EP checks, EP2 checks, Hero checks.

River: K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. (3 players).
EP checks, EP2 bets, Hero...

HoneyBadger 06-30-2007 01:06 PM

Re: QJ suey from C/O. Is this river decision easy?
 
You mean between a fold and a call, right? And you want to fold?

AJ of diamonds is the only hand that makes sense. But then isn't he a bit passive with that?

I'd just call/fold to be sure; is that a leak?

Allday Everyday 06-30-2007 01:16 PM

Re: QJ suey from C/O. Is this river decision easy?
 
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You mean between a fold and a call, right? And you want to fold?

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Hehe. No way I'm folding. At least not to EP2's bet.

HoneyBadger 06-30-2007 01:19 PM

Re: QJ suey from C/O. Is this river decision easy?
 
go for an overcall then. (anyway, that's my intuition-based, non-mathematically supported advice)

StrictlyStrategy 06-30-2007 01:34 PM

Re: QJ suey from C/O. Is this river decision easy?
 
Why are you betting the flop?

HoneyBadger 06-30-2007 01:49 PM

Re: QJ suey from C/O. Is this river decision easy?
 
Yeah, that flop bet is pretty bad imho as well.

Niediam 06-30-2007 01:50 PM

Re: QJ suey from C/O. Is this river decision easy?
 
I don't bet the flop.

River is close between a call and a raise but I'm leaning toward raise.

If you would have bet turn and then villian donked river I'm only calling.

StrictlyStrategy 06-30-2007 01:53 PM

Re: QJ suey from C/O. Is this river decision easy?
 
I'd just call the river by the way. The pot is multiway, large, and a very obvious draw just got there.

There's a reasonable chance you'll get overcalled by a worse holding, and can you lay this down to a 3bet? I can't because I'm a showdown freak.

Plus, going runner runner straight after a flop spew, getting there and cracking a hand like A9 and flatcalling the river has to be good for some implied tilt odds. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

HoneyBadger 06-30-2007 02:08 PM

Re: QJ suey from C/O. Is this river decision easy?
 
I would never raise this with someone behind me.

talking toaster 06-30-2007 06:35 PM

Re: QJ suey from C/O. Is this river decision easy?
 
Definite call. Your turn check makes lots of 2-pairs or good aces want to bet there. He might even be trying to bluff it. I'd expect to end up against a flush maybe 70% of the time.


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