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I was watching a Red Sox game the other day in which Schilling was pitching. There was a situation in which the bases were loaded, 2 outs, 3-2 count. So the runners are moving ldo.

When Schilling made the pitch, he went through his entire windup rather than pitching from the stretch position.

2 questions:
-Why would he go through his entire windup? Seems like this could turn what would normally be a 1-run single into a 2-run single since the runners are moving.

-Rule question. Since he went through his entire windup, the runner on third was well on his way to home by the time the pitch was thrown. Hypothetically, if the runner were to make it home before the pitch reaches the plate, then the batter grounds out, would the run count? The inning ended on a force out so it doesn't matter if a run scored first, but technically you could say the run scored before the play even started. What if the batter struck out instead of grounding out?

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I was watching a Red Sox game the other day in which Schilling was pitching. There was a situation in which the bases were loaded, 2 outs, 3-2 count. So the runners are moving ldo.

When Schilling made the pitch, he went through his entire windup rather than pitching from the stretch position.

2 questions:
-Why would he go through his entire windup? Seems like this could turn what would normally be a 1-run single into a 2-run single since the runners are moving.

The guy from 2nd is scoring either way, he's at 3rd when the ball is hit. Wind-up generates more power.

-Rule question. Since he went through his entire windup, the runner on third was well on his way to home by the time the pitch was thrown. Hypothetically, if the runner were to make it home before the pitch reaches the plate, then the batter grounds out, would the run count? The inning ended on a force out so it doesn't matter if a run scored first, but technically you could say the run scored before the play even started. What if the batter struck out instead of grounding out?

If the batter grounds out or strikes out, the runner must of touched home before the pitcher released the ball. I'm not sure about this, but it seems logical. This would never happen.



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That run can never score unless the pitcher balks (or the batter reaches base ldo).

Doesn't matter if he touches the plate first or not. Not that this would ever happen.

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That run can never score unless the pitcher balks.

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This would never happen. The runner would have to cross home before the pitcher balked. I'd venture a guess that Curt Schilling has balked less than 2 times as a major league pitcher from the wind-up.

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That run can never score unless the pitcher balks.

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This would never happen. The runner would have to cross home before the pitcher balked.

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The runner on third would score either way on a balk unless I'm misunderstanding something here

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now I'm confused too.

and whether the runner on 2nd is going to normally score on a typical hit is not the OP's question.
Obviously Schilling is giving the runners a huge head-start. The guy from 2nd is going to have many opportunities to score that he wouldn't otherwise. Little bloopers to CF where he would have to stop in CF or whatever. He's probably 45 feet closer than he would be otherwise. Obviously the head-start is a big deal or else the runner wouldn't care about taking advantage of it in the first placce.

Same goes for the runner on first obviously who is going to score on many more hits than he would otherwise.

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The guy from 2nd is scoring either way, he's at 3rd when the ball is hit. Wind-up generates more power.

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This is actually not true and has been proven by biomechanical analysis by Dr. Glenn Fleisig and Tom House. Furthermore, just tracking pitches out of the windup as compared to the stretch show no difference in velocity over a large enough sample size, and most young pitchers locate much better out of the stretch alone.

Pretty interesting stuff.

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The guy from 2nd is scoring either way, he's at 3rd when the ball is hit. Wind-up generates more power.

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This is actually not true and has been proven by biomechanical analysis by Dr. Glenn Fleisig and Tom House. Furthermore, just tracking pitches out of the windup as compared to the stretch show no difference in velocity over a large enough sample size, and most young pitchers locate much better out of the stretch alone.

Pretty interesting stuff.

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Pretty sure a guy like Shilling knows rather he's more comfortable from the windup or the stretch. Not that it invalidates your previous pts.

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Comfortable, sure. More power? No.

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kyle,

Was this a theoretical or empirical study?

I could see how theoretically there would be no change but if the pitcher feels more comfortable he throws better.