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Dan Bitel 06-19-2007 02:32 AM

Ugh i messed this up (deep vs 2p2er)
 
Hero got his stack before villain got here. Villain got his stack a few hands ago with broadway vs a fish's top pair (villain bet/3bet turn when he hit, then pushed river). Villain is a 2p2er and should know that I am. I've 3bet him once or twice since he sat down, and he's folded once preflop and once to my flop cbet on an ace high flop.

Advice on all streets needed please:

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

Hero (SB): $872.75
BB: $196.80
UTG: $57.20
CO: $385.60
BTN: $397.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $7.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $25.00</font>, BB folds, BTN calls $18.00

Flop: ($52) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $46.00</font>, BTN calls $46.00

Turn: ($144) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $75.00</font>, Hero calls $75.00

River: ($294) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $102.00</font>, <font color="red"> BTN pushes all in</font> , Hero thinks very very strongly about folding for $160 more

cakewalk 06-19-2007 02:36 AM

Re: Ugh i messed this up (deep vs 2p2er)
 
what hand bets a blank turn ?

AKh ?

AJh ?

33/99 ?

AA ?

which one does he have

the machine 06-19-2007 02:38 AM

Re: Ugh i messed this up (deep vs 2p2er)
 
by betting the river you have to call. pots too big and its a min raise, you have top 2.

Bukem_ 06-19-2007 02:40 AM

Re: Ugh i messed this up (deep vs 2p2er)
 
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have top 2.

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He shouldn't be value betting worse.

Edit: I think flop bet size is way too big also.

the machine 06-19-2007 02:42 AM

Re: Ugh i messed this up (deep vs 2p2er)
 
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have top 2.

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He shouldn't be value betting worse.

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do you mean dan or villain.

BDaws 06-19-2007 02:42 AM

Re: Ugh i messed this up (deep vs 2p2er)
 
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what hand bets a blank turn ?

AKh ?

AJh ?

33/99 ?

AA ?

which one does he have

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His turn betting range is probably wider than that, no?

Bukem_ 06-19-2007 02:42 AM

Re: Ugh i messed this up (deep vs 2p2er)
 
villain.

Edit: and yes to bdaws.

Mossberg 06-19-2007 02:45 AM

Re: Ugh i messed this up (deep vs 2p2er)
 
I don't think you're ahead often enough on the river to make a call profitable. I don't think villain is doing this with any worse hands for value, and I don't see anything he gets this far with and then turns into a bluff.

I agree with Bukem that flop bet is too big.

the machine 06-19-2007 02:46 AM

Re: Ugh i messed this up (deep vs 2p2er)
 
well dan has 3 bet him twice already and could make a stand with AK or worse 2pair.

if we really think this river is a bet fold then id rather check call, or (gulp dont flame me here because its not often id actually say this) check fold.

i think betting 1/3 PSB and folding to 1.5x raise and getting 5:1 on the call just doesnt work for me here. the river bet gives us way too good of odds here

Mossberg 06-19-2007 02:54 AM

Re: Ugh i messed this up (deep vs 2p2er)
 
man, villain is 2p2er, he's not stacking off with 200bbs to "make a stand" with AK. And what possible hands could he have that make a worse 2 pair? He called a 3bet preflop, so I think we can narrow those out of his range.


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