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JrJordan 06-11-2007 12:27 PM

How\'s this turn push into an empty pot?
 
BB is 20/12 but has been pretty quiet since we sat at the table. SB is a shortstack fish and would push the flop with any gutshot/pair/draw.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($166)
MP ($388)
Hero ($393.60)
SB ($116.70)
BB ($522.40)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $12</font>, SB calls $10, BB calls $8.

Flop: ($36) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $24</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $80</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $104.7</font>, BB calls $80.70, Hero calls $24.70.

Turn: ($350.10) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $276.9 (All-In)...</font>

BB seems to be a somewhat thinking player and I've shown aggression through the whole hand. Any chance T9 or KQ folds here, and combined with the number of draws I can charge, do we like the push?

xSCWx 06-11-2007 12:28 PM

Re: How\'s this turn push into an empty pot?
 
I like it.

donkmagic 06-11-2007 12:45 PM

Re: How\'s this turn push into an empty pot?
 
i didnt realize there was a dry sidepot. just take the free card, no way you're ahead of sb and your outs are deifnitely clean so just take the free card. i dont think 2 pair is folding here.

JrJordan 06-11-2007 12:48 PM

Re: How\'s this turn push into an empty pot?
 
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i didnt realize there was a dry sidepot. just take the free card, no way you're ahead of sb and your outs are deifnitely clean so just take the free card. i dont think 2 pair is folding here.

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Read my description of SB, I'm very much ahead of him after his flop push.

rand 06-11-2007 12:49 PM

Re: How\'s this turn push into an empty pot?
 
check

pokeriseasy 06-11-2007 12:54 PM

Re: How\'s this turn push into an empty pot?
 
KQ might fold, T9 is never folding. I don't mind the push, but I'd rather check and go for some value on the river. I feel like I never get called by non monsters against decent players on the turn in these spots.

berserk 06-11-2007 02:59 PM

Re: How\'s this turn push into an empty pot?
 
Why......

You have decent SD value and a good draw, see the river.

craka_lakin 06-11-2007 03:44 PM

Re: How\'s this turn push into an empty pot?
 
both plays r solid but id personally would bet after check. and 10 9 could lay it down. if tight player

Tamtaram 06-11-2007 04:30 PM

Re: How\'s this turn push into an empty pot?
 
Why not just push the flop? (aren't you allowed to do that after the raise all in by the shortstack)

Money2Burn 06-11-2007 04:36 PM

Re: How\'s this turn push into an empty pot?
 
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Why not just push the flop? (aren't you allowed to do that after the raise all in by the shortstack)

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because hero has zero fold equity from BB, i think you should check turn and try to get value on the river


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