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meektm 06-10-2007 09:07 PM

QJo and weakflushes
 
Hi all,

I'm often confused how I should be playing QJo. Do you want it multiway or short?

PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls, CO calls, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB folds, MP1 calls, MP3 folds, CO folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, MP1 folds.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls.

River: (7.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB


I have another question about weakflushes. In a large pot where everyone seems to be drawing to something or calling, is it worth drawing to a weakflush?

PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (16 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(8 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, CO folds, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 3-bets</font>, MP1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 caps</font>, MP3 calls, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (20 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, MP3 calls, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

River: (26 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks.

Final Pot: 26 BB


Thanks


Edited: i only know sb is something like 29vpip low pfr in hand 1

kerowo 06-10-2007 09:12 PM

Re: QJo and weakflushes
 
Hand one with position I'm probably going to raise any two broadway, given that you didn't the rest is standard.

In hand two I'm donking this flop. With 6 people in on the turn I think you still have the equity to donk the turn as well. The last think you want is for it to get checked through. Flush over flush is rare so I'm not getting too worried about it on the flop.

Buzz-cp 06-10-2007 09:22 PM

Re: QJo and weakflushes
 
I play both hands same way. You are playing QJ because it is two big connected cards. I don't think it matters much if it is multiway or short, but the later the position the better.

unterfish 06-10-2007 09:40 PM

Re: QJo and weakflushes
 
Hand 2: bet and raise flop
Hand 1: nh.

tehox 06-10-2007 10:36 PM

Re: QJo and weakflushes
 
In hand 2, even with it getting capped, you are getting like 10:1. Sometimes people will have bigger flushes, but not often enough to even think about folding.

jakbse 06-11-2007 05:02 AM

Re: QJo and weakflushes
 
Hand 1, Top pair, single opponent but weak kicker and 3 flush board. I value bet the river but it's marginal. The rest is fine IMO
Hand 2, I'm ok with they way you played it, strange river.

ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S 06-11-2007 05:18 AM

Re: QJo and weakflushes
 
I hate a raise preflop in hand 1, its all fine.

hand 2 donk/trey is ok on the flop, but as you have played it is fine too

sharpie 06-11-2007 01:31 PM

Re: QJo and weakflushes
 
1) Standard.
2) Of course you draw to a flush in a million bet pot.

meektm 06-11-2007 09:23 PM

Re: QJo and weakflushes
 
[ QUOTE ]
1) Standard.


[/ QUOTE ]

hey sharpie,

why are we raising QJo in hand 1?

tm


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