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bussolini 06-06-2007 09:05 AM

NL25: AQ hits TPTK and gets mincheckraised on turn
 
Villain is solid over appr. 100 hands with 22/14. Was almost pushing but didnt see a single hand i beat that is checkraising me like this?!? A flushdraw, if betting, would have pushed all in or called, right? Now i layed it down, cause those are the hands im losing my money with.
Could you guys check my line?

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $26.70
BB: $25.50
<font color="black">Hero (UTG): $26.00</font>
MP: $27.65
CO: $25.10
BTN: $17.85

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $1.00</font>, MP folds, CO calls $1.00, BTN folds, SB calls $0.90, BB folds

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($3.25) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $2.50</font>, CO folds, SB calls $2.50

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($8.25) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $6.00</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $12.00</font>, Hero folds

Pot Size: $26.25 ($0.95 Rake)

marvin_1935 06-06-2007 09:17 AM

Re: NL25: AQ hits TPTK and gets mincheckraised on turn
 
raise pf . . . . check
decent cbet . . . check
baluga on turn . . . folded . . . check
took note on villain . . . . ????????

nh

ActionStan 06-06-2007 10:22 AM

Re: NL25: AQ hits TPTK and gets mincheckraised on turn
 
The fold is good.

I would prefer to check behind on the turn and control the pot. I wouldn't put him on a flush draw often enough to build a big pot with a marginal hand. If his hand isn't made, mostly he's drawing to 3-5 outs. Sometimes he's drawing to 9+. In either case, we aren't going broke on the river if he makes his hand.

small hands == small pots

bussolini 06-06-2007 03:10 PM

Re: NL25: AQ hits TPTK and gets mincheckraised on turn
 
of course as i see the hand now with the checkraise i wish i would have checked the turn to call a river bet and keep the pot small. but in general: do you actually check the top pair with ace kicker here with two hearts on board? then i have to change my basic style of play. i think its more painful to donate a free card most of the times here?!

CobraGoat 06-06-2007 03:15 PM

Re: NL25: AQ hits TPTK and gets mincheckraised on turn
 
standard. do not check this turn. good fold to C/R. baluga blah.

ActionStan 06-06-2007 03:58 PM

Re: NL25: AQ hits TPTK and gets mincheckraised on turn
 
I check marginal hands out of position quite regularly, 2 hearts or no. Some people will certainly disagree. Fair enough. They may well be right. But, I value pot control over what is likely a slim draw, especially out of position. I'm not going to build a big pot to protect my hand. I'm going to try to wrangle a small pot to protect my stack. At the core of my game, I try to win big pots with big hands and limit my losses out of position, especially with marginal hands. Sometimes I get drawn out on and pay a guy off for a small bet on the end. As often as that happens, get paid off by QJ when he bets on the end.

This article describes your hand almost exactly.

http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/artic...small-pots.html

The core choice is around classifying the villain as passive and predictable or more capable of bluffing. I tend to lean towards the latter in the face of convincing evidence one way or the other with this sort of hand. So, I check.

wslee00 06-06-2007 04:15 PM

Re: NL25: AQ hits TPTK and gets mincheckraised on turn
 
yeah - check behind on the turn on this board. There is only one draw out there that he most likely doesn't have. Check on the turn is good for pot control and also good for extracting more value from worse hands that wouldn't have called a turn bet.

hummusx 06-06-2007 05:40 PM

Re: NL25: AQ hits TPTK and gets mincheckraised on turn
 
Here we're IN position, not out of position.

ActionStan 06-06-2007 07:12 PM

Re: NL25: AQ hits TPTK and gets mincheckraised on turn
 
You're right. My mistake. I still check.


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