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syphlix 06-03-2007 08:29 PM

turn 3b flush on paired board vs tag
 
villian is 19/15/3 over about 100 hands... don't have any real reads seems just typical solid tag...

i called pf cuz of stacks and position, and since a utg raise from tag is usually stronger than late raise i have bigger chance of getting paid...

i don't raise flop cuz i don't want a big pair /q to 3bet me... anyone play that flop different?

hows the turn action?... AQ has to be a significant part of his range.. .though there aren't many combi. out there sine 2 out... KQs def is in his range, prob even QJs... doesn't seem like a solid tag is gonna 3bai on this board this deep w just a naked AA or KK, but i could wrong... theres always the chance of 99, 55... i assume Q9 or Q5 not in the range...

actually now that i stove vs half of AA KK, QQ, KQs QJs 55 99 AQ i'm ahead... how does my range look?

Hand 0: 56.612% 56.61% 00.00% 548 0.00 { As4s }
Hand 1: 43.388% 43.39% 00.00% 420 0.00 { AcAd, AcAh, AcAs, KcKd, KcKh, KcKs, QQ, 99, 55, AQs, KQs, QJs, AQo }


Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $118.90
BB: $736.45
UTG: $329.95
MP: $264.00
CO: $503.65
<font color="black">Hero (BTN): $320.90</font>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $8.00</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $8.00, 2 folds

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($19) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $14.00</font>, Hero calls $14.00

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($47) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $34.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $108.00</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises all-in to $307.95</font>, Hero calls all-in for $190.90
Uncalled bet of $9.05 returned to UTG

Colombo 06-03-2007 08:36 PM

Re: turn 3b flush on paired board vs tag
 
Well your range might be okay, but you hafto consider his calling range (or is that what you did)? As played, you gotta fold to his 3bet I mean you really beat nothing besides another flush which is rare.

Also, maybe I'm being results oriented but I like a call on the turn. If he's as solid as you say he won't pay off a raise with anything but a boat or another flush (maybe a Q, lets say 50/50 for Q).

wrkingtobegreat 06-03-2007 08:42 PM

Re: turn 3b flush on paired board vs tag
 
Im not sure why you guys are so happy to fold here. Part of being a tag means being aggressive, and that means pushing with a hand that might not be the best. Just because someone is a tag doesn't make them a nit who is incapable of semibluffing/pushing without the nuts. AQ/KQ/connector spades are a very big part of his range, and there is a good amount of money in the pot. I think it is a very close decision and definitely not an easy fold. I might call this.

syphlix 06-03-2007 08:42 PM

Re: turn 3b flush on paired board vs tag
 
the range i used is the range i think he could be 3bai on that turn w.

i may agree w the call on the turn bc of your reasons... guess i could be WAWB kinda thing here...

is it pipe dreams for me to think that someone could 3bai w a naked queen?

syphlix 06-03-2007 08:50 PM

Re: turn 3b flush on paired board vs tag
 
Hand 0: 58.300% 58.30% 00.00% 590 0.00 { As4s }
Hand 1: 41.700% 41.70% 00.00% 422 0.00 { AcAd, AcAh, AcAs, KcKd, KcKh, KcKs, QQ, 99, 55, AQs, KQs, QJs, JsTs, AQo }


there it is w JTspades added in... i ddin't even consider that b4...

i mean... against the range i put it's a clear call... the only question is if my range is skewed...

Colombo 06-03-2007 08:54 PM

Re: turn 3b flush on paired board vs tag
 
Well I don't see him ever pushing with AA or KK, and probably not a Q. If you had a K high flush things might be different since AsA and AsQ is in his range

Wu36 06-03-2007 08:56 PM

Re: turn 3b flush on paired board vs tag
 
don't think you see the overpairs often in this spot (maybe KsKx).


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