flush on paired board
 

havent played in awhile so im pretty rusty. co is 30/12/4.5 but is probably self taught and plays like a bad lag postflop. he overplays his hands and pays off lightly. he bet both streets fairly quickly and i really ahve a feeling he has a big hand but i think he'd play any ace the same way and will probably call a shove

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $539.50
BB: $409.70
UTG: $150.00
MP: $400.00
CO: $1,080.10
<font color="black">Hero (BTN): $400.00</font>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG calls $4.00, MP folds, CO calls $4.00, <font color="red">Hero raises to $22.00</font>, SB calls $20.00, 2 folds, CO calls $18.00

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($74) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, CO checks, Hero checks

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($74) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">CO bets $44.00</font>, Hero calls $44.00, SB folds

<font color="black">River:</font> ($162) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">CO bets $104.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises all-in to $334.00</font>

Re: flush on paired board
 

i too would have instashoved. why wouldnt you bet the flop?

Re: flush on paired board
 

i cbet here and raise the turn, river shove is fine i think

Re: flush on paired board
 

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i cbet here and raise the turn, river shove is fine i think

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Re: flush on paired board
 

i didnt c-bet because i liked my draw but the pot was already big and i didn't want to get raised and have to fold it. if i had a combo draw or NFD i would bet it and gladly shove over a c/r. my hand is also disguised this way and the pot is not too huge if i hit a Q or J

Re: flush on paired board
 

josh i like your thinking but also note you gain deception by checking flop behind - deception that lets you raise river OR turn and get paid off much lighter.

if you know he's betting most rivers, sure, but i think the check flop behind/raise turn line will confuse him so much you'll get a ton of calls. raising the river also looks fishy but he can never put you on a semibluff. even if your line looks suspect, it's still in the end going to almost always be a very good hand played non-standard rather than a bluff.

Re: flush on paired board
 

Checking through on the flop is cool, and I agree that you can get away with raising the turn and building the pot to make the river one bet.

Re: flush on paired board
 

if i raise the turn i think there's a good chance he'll give me credit for a big ace or flush and possibly fold them. if i just call i think i'll at least get him to c/c the river with any ace. and there's a chance he hits trips, 2 pair, set, straight with a hand he was bluffing on the turn with. and he could bluff the river. overall a lot of good things happen when i call the turn, whereas raising i think just kills my action unless he has 2 pair or better

Re: flush on paired board
 

i bet flop usually but given that you didnt i would raise the turn.
as played river shove is obv

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co is 30/12/4.5 but is probably self taught and plays like a bad lag postflop. he overplays his hands and pays off lightly.

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i think this is reason to raise on the turn and get called by AxXc