I have (not) a cunning plan.
 

Same villain in both hands. Practically unknown and have played 100 hands against him.No reads
He is 29/6/3.
I´m looking for a default play in the actual spots I´m in.Plus I would like a game plan on future streets.

Hand 1.
Poker Room skin
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $5/$10
5 players
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Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3SB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises</font>, Hero?

Hand 2:

Poker Room skin
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $5/$10
5 players
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Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (8.5SB, 4 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises</font>, 2 folds, Hero ?

Re: I have (not) a cunning plan.
 

First hand I would fold. Very drawy board, you can't do anything with confidence, the pot is small, let it go.

Hand 2: I would 3bet. This time he will pay for his semibluff.

Re: I have (not) a cunning plan.
 

On the first hand, I fold without a worry. Grab pokerstove and you'll see where you stand better.

On the second hand, this is totally situational. You have a strong hand still, do what you think will make you the money you want. The CO cold calling pf should be a lot of info, most players have a very specific range of cold calling type hands.

Re: I have (not) a cunning plan.
 

Hand 1 I'm folding. I'd 3 bet on the the second hand for value, and with the expectation that villain is taking a shot at us thinking we have whiffed overs.

Re: I have (not) a cunning plan.
 

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I'd 3 bet on the the second hand for value, and with the expectation that villain is taking a shot at us thinking we have whiffed overs.

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You could also consider call the flop and cr the turn if you think he is taking a shot at us.

Re: I have (not) a cunning plan.
 

You then run the risk of him checking behind on the turn.

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You then run the risk of him checking behind on the turn.

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I would take that risk in this spot; the turn changes a lot of things.

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You then run the risk of him checking behind on the turn.

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I would take that risk in this spot; the turn changes a lot of things.

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I don't know, the drawy flop makes me want to raise now and try to take the pot down rather than waiting for the turn. That and the chance for an overcard to hit the turn.

Re: I have (not) a cunning plan.
 

you're never taking the pot down now. waiting allows you to get 2 bb in the pot on the turn when a good card falls and saves a small bet on the flop when a bad card falls. this all depends on how well you judge the good/bad cards, which is pretty hard to do based on the fact that the only information we have so far is his preflop coldcall and flop raise. i do not feel like the bets you win/save by calling the flop raise outweigh the immediate value of 3-betting and value-betting the turn and river against his most likely hands - pairs, which can easily get scared of a turn Q/K/A and check behind costing you a lot.

Re: I have (not) a cunning plan.
 

grunch:
hand 1: bet/fold, i don't feel confident going on from this point on this board.

hand 2: I 3-bet flop, don't like getting free carded in this spot