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Leader 05-17-2007 01:34 AM

LimCash: Big hand but more bets?
 
Villain seems decent and agro. I haven't done anything insane.

Ultimate Bet 5/10 Hold'em (2 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, Hero calls.

River: (14 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero

vmacosta 05-17-2007 01:45 AM

Re: LimCash: Big hand but more bets?
 
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Villain seems decent and agro. I haven't done anything insane.

Ultimate Bet 5/10 Hold'em (2 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, Hero calls.

River: (14 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero

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Leader,
It's close but I think you should put in one more raise here and call a 3-bet. There are just too many hand I'd put in the discounted portion of his range: 33, 55, 98, KK-QQ, Ah9h, other tilty stuff. I don't really see him folding anything to your raise except tilty bluffs either.

danzasmack 05-17-2007 10:18 AM

Re: LimCash: Big hand but more bets?
 
i would probably c/r the river.

2461Badugi 05-17-2007 10:42 AM

Re: LimCash: Big hand but more bets?
 
I would lead this river and call a raise. I don't really want three bets to go in by default, although depending on the flow of the match I might be happy to put in four. In which case I'd still lead.

danzasmack 05-17-2007 10:45 AM

Re: LimCash: Big hand but more bets?
 
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I would lead this river and call a raise. I don't really want three bets to go in by default, although depending on the flow of the match I might be happy to put in four. In which case I'd still lead.

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i think 3-bets goes in less often than we think. Leading this river stops him from value betting hands like TT-KK. Plus it gets less value from lower sets/2pairs.

2461Badugi 05-17-2007 10:54 AM

Re: LimCash: Big hand but more bets?
 
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I would lead this river and call a raise. I don't really want three bets to go in by default, although depending on the flow of the match I might be happy to put in four. In which case I'd still lead.

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i think 3-bets goes in less often than we think. Leading this river stops him from value betting hands like TT-KK. Plus it gets less value from lower sets/2pairs.

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I don't think there's any chance 33, 55, or a rivered two pair aren't raising us again. But I think the ace river plus all the action we've put in makes it really unlikely we're getting more than one bet out of a previous two pair or TT-KK, and we may get none. He'd have to be really daft to bet-call those.

We may get an extra bet out of a combo draw by checking, but I think a lot of one pair and bad two pair hands will be happy to either take a free showdown or give it up for a value bet-fold.

danzasmack 05-17-2007 10:55 AM

Re: LimCash: Big hand but more bets?
 
"I don't think there's any chance 33, 55, or a rivered two pair aren't raising us again. "

I know that but they are always value betting so there is no risk in value from a c/r from there and plus you get 3-bets from 33-55 and A9 a lot.

2461Badugi 05-17-2007 11:01 AM

Re: LimCash: Big hand but more bets?
 
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"I don't think there's any chance 33, 55, or a rivered two pair aren't raising us again. "

I know that but they are always value betting so there is no risk in value from a c/r from there and plus you get 3-bets from 33-55 and A9 a lot.

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I don't think A9 will threebet a checkraise here. So you get threebet by 33, 55, 99, AA and the nuts, which makes it pretty much a wash since he won't have the nuts very often. If you figure those same hands will fourbet you, there's value in bet-threeing, since you should get three out of A8/A9 that way.

danzasmack 05-17-2007 11:34 AM

Re: LimCash: Big hand but more bets?
 
67 is in his range too

they still can't raise TT-KK which is also a big part of his range, but they have to value bet it

MasterLJ 05-17-2007 12:19 PM

Re: LimCash: Big hand but more bets?
 
More bets on the rivah! There is so much value there imo.


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