200NL - 45s - Bluffing on the river.
 

Villain is 39/11 over just 18 hands. Is this gooot or just spew? Thoughts please.

Bodog History for Hand #697697609
Hold'em No Limit ($1.00/$2.00) - 2007-05-04 01:57:40
Table 'St. Louis' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: pterodactyl_ ($235.00)
Seat 2: PNT ($477.00)
Seat 3: Court02 ($174.00)
Seat 4: fin2win ($198.00)
Seat 5: War_Crimes ($200.00)
Seat 6: Spice Girls ($272.00)
Seat 7: bix ($644.00)
Seat 8: JHCare ($269.50)
Seat 9: aphelion ($148.00)
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NEW HAND
fin2win: posts the small blind $1.00
War_Crimes: posts the big blind $2.00
--- DEALING POCKETS
pterodactyl_ is dealt [5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]
Spice Girls: folds
bix: folds
JHCare: folds
aphelion: raises $6.00 to $8.00
pterodactyl_: calls $8.00
PNT: folds
Court02: folds
fin2win: folds
War_Crimes: folds
--- DEALING FLOP [4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img],2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img],Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
aphelion: bets $12.00
pterodactyl_: calls $12.00
--- DEALING TURN [6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]]
aphelion: checks
pterodactyl_: bets $29.00
aphelion: calls $29.00
--- DEALING RIVER [T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
aphelion: checks
pterodactyl_: bets $101.00

Re: 200NL - 45s - Bluffing on the river.
 

I think bluffing those guys is usually spew. Bluff people who have a fold button.

Re: 200NL - 45s - Bluffing on the river.
 

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I think bluffing those guys is usually spew. Bluff people who have a fold button.

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It was only after 18 hands soi didnt read into it too much.

Re: 200NL - 45s - Bluffing on the river.
 

I guess maybe that makes him closer to an unknown which might make this move worse.

What do we think his range is though?

Re: 200NL - 45s - Bluffing on the river.
 

once he calls the turn i think i'm done

don't like preflop either

Re: 200NL - 45s - Bluffing on the river.
 

It seemed to me like 77-99/JJ were a lrage part of his range and I thought the big river bet would get him to fold these most of the time.
Bad thinking? Fancy Play Syndrome? Curious if anyone else would make this move.

Re: 200NL - 45s - Bluffing on the river.
 

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It seemed to me like 77-99/JJ were a lrage part of his range and I thought the big river bet would get him to fold these most of the time.
Bad thinking? Fancy Play Syndrome? Curious if anyone else would make this move.

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Nah, I'm not too fond of it... What's his showdown stats? Anyway, I need a cold-caller in between to make the pre-flop call. Calling a 4x raise is spew imo...

Re: 200NL - 45s - Bluffing on the river.
 

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once he calls the turn i think i'm done

don't like preflop either

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QFT. and the turn-bet was too small. u just bet 29$ in a pot of 43$

Re: 200NL - 45s - Bluffing on the river.
 

Fold preflop.

As played, flop call is fine with a pair and backdoor flush draw and backdoor straight draw.

When he checks the turn and you pick up a gutshot, sometimes I check behind here unless I "know" the player will fold to pressure. The last thing you want is a check-raise on the turn, forcing you to fold a hand that could have busted a big hand that he was willing to go to war with.

The reason you called on the flop was because: 1) you thought your pair might be good, and 2) you wanted to freeze him and take a free card in position if you picked up a draw to go with your pair on the turn. So, give some thought to taking the free card. Be more inclined to bet in this spot if you did not pick up a draw to go with your pair of 4s.

Re: 200NL - 45s - Bluffing on the river.
 

I don't like the PF call at all. You aren't deep enough, there are people behind who can raise and you know nothing about the guy. If you are going to make these calls at least ensure the opponent has a full stack or more. At least thats my opinion on such calls.