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TheWunderkind 05-02-2007 08:08 PM

BIG? Laydown
 
openlimper is bad bad player wich is why i overlimped> sb is pretty good player > stats 33/22/2.89 over nearly 300> no notes so nothing special


Hero is Btn with T8s..maybe preflop is debateable too

Poker Room skin
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $5/$10
4 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (4 players)
UTG calls, Button calls, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises</font>, BB folds, UTG calls, Button calls.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5.5SB, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB 3-bets</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">Button caps</font>, SB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (8.75BB, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB 3-bets</font>, UTG calls, Button folds.

River: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (16.75BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, UTG folds.
Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to SB.

Results:
Final pot: 16.75BB

NinaWilliams 05-02-2007 08:15 PM

Re: BIG? Laydown
 
I wouldnt fold this. He has to have TT or 88 here to have you beat. Sb is pretty aggro so I think hes overplaying an overpair enough to call down.

sethypooh21 05-02-2007 08:49 PM

Re: BIG? Laydown
 
No.

jstill 05-02-2007 08:51 PM

Re: BIG? Laydown
 
yeah def not this ones not even close actually id expect to win almost as often as not, i ll keep it short for a change.

milesdyson 05-02-2007 08:53 PM

Re: BIG? Laydown
 
I don't know. It's not as bad as it looks/seems. Other than TT and 88, only QcJc really makes sense. You don't really have great implied odds on whatever outs you have, and if you call the turn you're probably going to end up calling the river UI anyway.

If his range is TT, 88, and QcJc, because you're drawing to 2 outs on average.

TheWunderkind 05-02-2007 08:53 PM

Re: BIG? Laydown
 
so youre all calling?

milesdyson 05-02-2007 08:55 PM

Re: BIG? Laydown
 
I'd call and showdown at the table, TheWunderkind. If SB were a non-tilting me, your fold is the right play especially if you are going to call the river unimproved.

Ali 05-02-2007 08:57 PM

Re: BIG? Laydown
 
33/22/2.89 ...

'2.89' --&gt; tends to overplay

=

call down and see an OP a lot

jstill 05-02-2007 09:02 PM

Re: BIG? Laydown
 
i had the player descriptions mixed up actully i just read bad player... hmmm.... i duno i couldnt fold i guess but if he never plays JJ+ AKs KQs KJs this way i guess a turn fold is in order?

does he think ur good or stupid and over aggro would he ever do this with overpairs after u cap the flop and raise the turn since u limped preflop?

sethypooh21 05-02-2007 09:04 PM

Re: BIG? Laydown
 
To elaborate on my initial reply, and contrast with the fold Nina posted...

[ QUOTE ]
33/22/2.89 ...

'2.89' --&gt; tends to overplay

=

call down and see an OP a lot

[/ QUOTE ]

A) What he said.

B) Nice avatar.

C) Seriously though, reading this guy for QJ is kinda nuts given his flop action, unless he has exactly QcjC, in that case 1) well played him, 2) you have outs. Assuming 88/TT is MUTB against a guy this aggro. Even if calling the river UI, it can't be that big of a mistake just based on the pot size.


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