100NL 86sooted...
 

Villian is 12/6/2.2.

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UTG ($19)
UTG+1 ($116.95)
MP1 ($82.50)
MP2 ($59)
Hero ($128.80)
Button ($97)
SB ($84.25)
BB ($116.35)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $1, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $5</font>, Button calls $5, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+1 calls $4.

Flop: ($16.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $15</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $40</font>, UTG+1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $121</font>, Button calls $52 (All-In).

Re: 100NL 86sooted...
 

This is just gross. There is way too many ways this board connected with villian. What did you put him on that you had any kind of decent equity against? An overpair? Too many ways he has something worse for you here. Your straight draw sucks and your flush is hardly to the nuts.

You have to play this much more delicatly.

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You have to play this much more delicatly.


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Fold flop?

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You have to play this much more delicatly.


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Fold flop?

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Funny... Seriously though, lead out smaller on the flop, call the (now smaller) raise and see what happens on the turn.

When you lead out so strong on this flop, you are typically only going to get strong hands and idiots with a draw (which here is probably better than yours) to call you. KQ, TT, 99, 88, AKs-AJs are all very possible here.

Bet out 1/2 the pot and make it look like you missed. Then if the button does have a big hand he's not going to try and push you off the pot as hard and you can call the raise and hope to hit the turn.

I'm not saying never play the flop this hard with your big draws, but not with this board.

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You have to play this much more delicatly.


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Fold flop?

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Funny... Seriously though, lead out smaller on the flop, call the (now smaller) raise and see what happens on the turn.

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I think this sucks though. We're OOP and our draws are l-o-l obvious so we're really rarely getting much value if we draw the best hand. And we're only giving ourselves the turn to do it, after which we probably get pushed out when we miss.

Re: 100NL 86sooted...
 

Im happy to get it all in on this flop, worse thing for you is if he hit a set and even then with the dead money in the pot u still wanna get all in.

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Raistlinx

Aren't there some hands you would like to see fold that otherwise wouldn't have folded to your 'half-pot' bet?

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looks meh, i agree with the line to just lead small call small flop raise, but i looks like he flopped the joint or a set, going off of his stats which are very nitty.

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Raistlinx

Aren't there some hands you would like to see fold that otherwise wouldn't have folded to your 'half-pot' bet?

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Of course, and if the board was different I would try to push them out as well. But here against two opponents there is just way to many ways this board hit at least one of them hard. Our straight draw is the idiot end and our flush draw isn't too the nuts. We can still make our hand and lose or even possible be drawing dead.

So no, for me I think the idea of pushing out a better draw is great in theory but I think the board makes this the wrong spot to apply that.

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since this is the low end of a straight and a low flush I would have to fold it to his raise... there is nothing that we are really beating that we can draw to besides the flush and its not worth trying to get there. Agaisnt this type of player he has most likly hit the flop extremely hard and there is nothing you can do but run.

I would either lead for 1/2 pot or check the flop and go from there, pushing here is bad, very very bad.