Flop decision from button (vs. shorter stacks)
 

Bodog PLO25 ($0.10/$0.25 blinds; full ring)

Stack sizes:
UTG: $7.55
Hero (button): $27.70
SB: $30.70
BB: $15.65

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is Button with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, 4 more call, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1</font>, SB &amp; BB both call, all limpers also call

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 10[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($8.00, 8 players)
SB checks, <font color="red">BB bets $8.00</font>, <font color="red">UTG calls $6.55</font> (is all-in), all fold to Hero . . . .

<font color="red">Hero . . . ?</font>

Re: Flop decision from button (vs. shorter stacks)
 

Call and shove the turn if the board not pairs. If the board pairs fold to a bet from BB.

Re: Flop decision from button (vs. shorter stacks)
 

I put BB solidly on a set or two pair, UTG?, you with 13 outs--2-4, 6, 8, J, Q, and A of [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (8 outs to a flush), and J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 outs to a straight), and having to dodge the board pairing (8 outs against you on the turn and up to 11 outs on the river). You also have to take into account the possibility that UTG has Ax [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. I'd put your equity at about 35% (though that may be high), your fold equity at zero on the flop, maybe a bit on the turn if a [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] hits (but then it doesn't really matter, because you're going to the felt), and your implied odds if it all goes to the center are clearly just over 2:1. Overall, I'd say a push is too aggressive and a call is just right. If the board doesn't pair, you're clearly getting it all in on the turn.

Re: Flop decision from button (vs. shorter stacks)
 

Whoah whoah whoah what kinda drugs are both of you on. Standard shove.

Re: Flop decision from button (vs. shorter stacks)
 

shoving isn't 'wrong', but it may not be the most +EV play.

Re: Flop decision from button (vs. shorter stacks)
 

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Whoah whoah whoah what kinda drugs are both of you on. Standard shove.

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Maybe first learn to dicuss. If someone have an other oppinion, even if you think that oppinion is fool, it is not a reason to make fun of that person.

Re: Flop decision from button (vs. shorter stacks)
 

Ok then. Shoving is the most +EV play, everything else is 'wrong'. I was never 'making fun' of you guys, just saying that you're both 'wrong'.

Re: Flop decision from button (vs. shorter stacks)
 

If his equity is around 35% and he clearly has no fold equity here, how is this a shove when he could call with proper implied odds and see if a safe card hits on the turn? Or do you think his equity is higher? Do you think there is any chance villain is folding to an all-in bet on the flop? Or do you expand villain's range to include something janky like top pair or a smaller flush draw?

Re: Flop decision from button (vs. shorter stacks)
 

I wouldn't take anything in this forum personally. It's probably not meant that way. Omaha players are just cranky. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: Flop decision from button (vs. shorter stacks)
 

How the hell do you get the figure 35%? A good wrap and the 2nd nut flush draw? I'd be tempted to put the equity at 45-55%.

Implied odds play no part in this hand.

Villain is never folding to an all-in.

However, when you hit the turn, villain often checkfolds, depending on what card you hit.

And

look at stack sizes.

I could go on.