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jamez_kerry 04-27-2007 07:58 AM

NL25 - SC flops GSSFD. Now what?!
 
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG+1 ($14.40)
<font color="#C00000">MP1 ($83.50)</font>
MP2 ($6.75)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($25)</font>
CO ($31.05)
Button ($4.65)
SB ($26.65)
BB ($45.50)
UTG ($9.35)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to $1.25</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $1.25, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>.

Flop: ($2.85) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $2</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to $6</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero???</font>


Ok so villain is 39/22/1.2 for approx 160 hands and I've pegged him as a bit of a fish. My question is how would you play this hand assuming his flop raise means we can put him on one of the following hands:
A) a set
B) an overpair
C) a straight or flush draw like myself

He lucked out on me a few hand previous calling my flop raise with bottom pair and hitting trips on the turn so my read is that if he most likely had either a set or big pair.

lexxor 04-27-2007 08:11 AM

Re: NL25 - SC flops OESFD. Now what?!
 
where is the oesfd? i only see a non-nut flushdraw and a gutshot.

a) i call - youre getting 3:1 against 88-77, 44
b) i shove - its a coinflip against 99+
c) i shove - I took this for his range: A2s+,KhQh,T9s,T9o - youre a favorite against his range

bozzer 04-27-2007 08:15 AM

Re: NL25 - SC flops OESFD. Now what?!
 
a shove is not a bad play but consider that against this opp you have lower FE than usual + higher implied odds -&gt; call. plus you are in position. I'm not saying calling is better, but you should lean more towards calling in this situation than in others. (sorry to sound like Sklansky.)

jamez_kerry 04-27-2007 08:17 AM

Re: NL25 - SC flops OESFD. Now what?!
 
"where is the oesfd? i only see a non-nut flushdraw and a gutshot."

My bad, a GSSFD :-P

lexxor 04-27-2007 08:17 AM

Re: NL25 - SC flops OESFD. Now what?!
 
One of my leaks is to play without stats, maybe you can play different against him. But on an unknown my suggest is pretty standard, right?

jamez_kerry 04-27-2007 08:24 AM

Re: NL25 - SC flops OESFD. Now what?!
 
[ QUOTE ]
a shove is not a bad play but consider that against this opp you have lower FE than usual + higher implied odds -&gt; call.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes this makes sense and I think this is a leak in my game i.e. I try to make semi-bluffs against loose players. I think against a good TAG player I could get them to fold an overpair but not against a LAG.

Genz 04-27-2007 08:52 AM

Re: NL25 - SC flops OESFD. Now what?!
 
Anybody fancy taking a free card on the flop? If he called you with bottom pair, he will call you with any two broadways here. Add the possibility of domination and I like the idea of not growing a big pot with a draw against a donkish villain who we can take money from on later streets. On this limit, I tend not to get into betting wars with worse players without the goods, because you have so little FE.
As played, I prefer to call and not push. It is very unlikely that OP has the best hand here and there is a possibility that he is drawing mostly to the gutshot. It is unlikely, but nevertheless villain is unlikely to fold and with 13 outs you are 50:50 to win the hand and there is very little dead money in the pot that makes the play very profitable.


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