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benlj21 04-27-2007 05:43 AM

proofread/critique my starting hand chart
 
I'm making a starting hand chart for a student of mine who plays 50 and 100nl. I'm also thinking about making some sort of rough guidelines for facing limpers/raises/reraises. Here's what I have so far , I'd like some idea of what you guys think of it. Also, let me know if I left any hands out. I play a bit looser than this, but I'd like for this to be somewhat tight/taggish. Thanks.

Preflop advice for 6-max No Limit Hold'Em

If nobody has entered the pot, raise the following hands:
UTG:
AA-22
AKo-AQo
Suited broadways
about 1/4 of the time, raise with a hand like T9s, 98s, or even sometimes T7s

UTG+1:
add AJo, ATo, KQo

HJ:
add Axs, A9o-A8o, offsuit broadways, Q9s-J8s, T9s-54s, J9s-75s

Button:
add Kxs, Q8s-J7s, T9o-76o, J9o-T8o

SB: same as HJ minus the suited connectors/semiconnectors

SpecT 04-27-2007 05:47 AM

Re: proofread/critique my starting hand chart
 
at those limits id only be raising 22+ and AJ+ utg.

everything else looks fine though

joeblack 04-27-2007 08:15 AM

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at those limits id only be raising 22+ and AJ+ utg.

everything else looks fine though

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br.bm 04-27-2007 08:15 AM

Re: proofread/critique my starting hand chart
 
raising standards:
utg, utg+1:
22+, AK

I don't want to call a 3bet w/ all other hands. But calling a raise w/ 54s+, suited broadways or AK is fine. I don't call a raise w/ AQo or AJo. ATo is a fold.

lucky_mf 04-27-2007 08:49 AM

Re: proofread/critique my starting hand chart
 

What are the reasons to raise small pairs early?:
1) Pot building-sweetening
2) To take the initiative and prevent someone from raising behind.
3) For deception - broaden your early position raising range.

In fishy-passive 50NL games I really don't see the point of raising small pairs UTG because:
1) The pot builds itself if you limp and hit and someone hits behind you (i.e. you can win a big pot without raising), but it will be hard to take it down with a c-bet. Better, more experienced, players might are able to gauge when a c-bet will be likely to take it down, but inexperienced players will not. Thus, I think the merits of raising are lessened for players with less experience.
2) You are not likely to face a raise from behind.
3) There is no need to disguise your early position raising range because nobody is paying attention.

I would add AJo to the early range and take out the connectors (for the same reasons as I would take out small pairs).

I would probably take out some of the hands in other positions as well. Some of these hands take experience (and post flop skills) to play well. A 18/12/2.X style does pretty well at 50NL, particularly for a player that is learning the game - moving up in limits.

Lucky

benlj21 04-27-2007 07:31 PM

Re: proofread/critique my starting hand chart
 
sorry if this is boring but i'd like a couple more comments if possible

LouisCyphre 04-27-2007 07:37 PM

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or even sometimes T7s


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If he is a student of the game that needs a starting hand chart he should stay away from hands like these because the post-flop play tends to be difficult. Let him learn to walk before he learns to run.

Doug Funnie II 04-27-2007 07:39 PM

Re: proofread/critique my starting hand chart
 
UTG all pairs, ATs+, AJo
UTG + 1 add A9s+, ATo, KQs, KQo
CO +2 add Axs, A8o, K9s+, KTo, QJs
Button any ace, any king, any 2 connected over 6, any 2 suited over 6

I like to jack it up on the button a lot.

Grunch 04-28-2007 02:32 AM

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sorry if this is boring but i'd like a couple more comments if possible

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My comment is that starting hand charts are unhealthy in no-limit.

Fonkey123 04-28-2007 02:34 AM

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sorry if this is boring but i'd like a couple more comments if possible

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My comment is that starting hand charts are unhealthy in no-limit.

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As long as he's making sure to open all pairs.


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