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grafyx 04-24-2007 06:57 PM

100r: Short stacked final table hand
 
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t12000 (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP (t58567)
Button (t69457)
Hero (t49896)
BB (t705604)
UTG (t195976)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to t57967</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero ?


Payouts:

1st: 22.5k
2nd: 14.3k
3rd: 9.5k
4th: 6.5k
5th: 4.9k

Pusher in the hand is THEROBBOB20. I haven't played with him a lot, but I believe he is a solid winner.

edit: If this is a fold, what can I call with?

0evg0 04-24-2007 07:01 PM

Re: 100r: Short stacked final table hand
 
pretty sure this is a fold

TimberBee 04-24-2007 07:04 PM

Re: 100r: Short stacked final table hand
 
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pretty sure this is a fold

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I agree. You are only 55% against ATC. Make his range only slightly tighter, and also factor the BB yet to act, I think this is a fold.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 55.845% 53.86% 01.99% 1129654161 41726804.50 { Ac3d }
Hand 1: 44.155% 42.17% 01.99% 884464630 41726804.50 { random }

Although I'm way over my head here(not played 100r before), I would say A8+, A6s+, 66+, KQ. Too tight?

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 69.128% 68.38% 00.75% 146298326584 1601627328.00 { 66+, A6s+, KQs, KQo }
Hand 1: 30.872% 30.12% 00.75% 64450803560 1601627328.00 { random }

djk123 04-24-2007 07:11 PM

Re: 100r: Short stacked final table hand
 
this is really close. if he is pushing like 25% of hands it is about breakeven, but then again the huge stack bb has yet to act. he should actually be pushing a lot more than this but i don't know how he plays. if i didn't have a good read on the guy i think i would fold

04-24-2007 07:15 PM

Re: 100r: Short stacked final table hand
 
It's definitely close. My calling range is something like 55+/A7s+/KQ, so I fold.

djk123 04-24-2007 07:18 PM

Re: 100r: Short stacked final table hand
 
[ QUOTE ]
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pretty sure this is a fold

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I agree. You are only 55% against ATC. Make his range only slightly tighter, and also factor the BB yet to act, I think this is a fold.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 55.845% 53.86% 01.99% 1129654161 41726804.50 { Ac3d }
Hand 1: 44.155% 42.17% 01.99% 884464630 41726804.50 { random }

Although I'm way over my head here(not played 100r before), I would say A8+, A6s+, 66+, KQ. Too tight?

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 69.128% 68.38% 00.75% 146298326584 1601627328.00 { 66+, A6s+, KQs, KQo }
Hand 1: 30.872% 30.12% 00.75% 64450803560 1601627328.00 { random }

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if you think he is pushing any 2 cards then this is a very easy call. you are getting like 1.5:1 or so on the call. obviously you have to factor in the bb yet to act, but that is not enough to merit a fold if mp is pushing top 50% to 100% of his hands. but like i said, without a solid read i would probably fold.

nath 04-24-2007 07:41 PM

Re: 100r: Short stacked final table hand
 
I think this is a call, because you can launch yourself into a top-3 spot if you win, and you're probably a small favorite

that pushing range posted is insanely tight, if I ever open fold 55 or KJ or even 98s 5 handed with 5x BB in my stack, it's time to put me out to stud

I should note that this becomes a fold if you think BB will call ATC here whether or not you call

WarDekar 04-24-2007 07:50 PM

Re: 100r: Short stacked final table hand
 
Shouldn't he be pushing ATC pretty much? You're ahead of that range obvi... I say call, you move up at least 1 spot where you should have an edge going to flop, and it really puts you in a good spot for top 3 at the very least.

You're so short (and so is pusher) that you have to take a stand at some point

betgo 04-24-2007 08:11 PM

Re: 100r: Short stacked final table hand
 
The call is cEV+, as you have significant pot odds. Due to final table payouts and your having a very favorable play of pushing yourself with 5xBB, I think I would pass.

Exitonly 04-24-2007 08:12 PM

Re: 100r: Short stacked final table hand
 
[ QUOTE ]
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pretty sure this is a fold

[/ QUOTE ]

I agree. You are only 55% against ATC. Make his range only slightly tighter, and also factor the BB yet to act, I think this is a fold.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 55.845% 53.86% 01.99% 1129654161 41726804.50 { Ac3d }
Hand 1: 44.155% 42.17% 01.99% 884464630 41726804.50 { random }

Although I'm way over my head here(not played 100r before), I would say A8+, A6s+, 66+, KQ. Too tight?

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 69.128% 68.38% 00.75% 146298326584 1601627328.00 { 66+, A6s+, KQs, KQo }
Hand 1: 30.872% 30.12% 00.75% 64450803560 1601627328.00 { random }

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in the 2nd pokerstove you replaced A3 w/ the range, when you should have replaced Random w/ it.

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as for the hand, i think it's pretty close but it's a call. obviously if this guy has been a big nit then its a fold, we dont want to get it in as a huge dog, but most people are shoving a bunch of hands here. We have very little shot at first since theres a guy with a massive chiplead, and he's on our immediate right, so we're not gonna get easy blinds.
If we move up one spot we make $1600, if we move up two, we make $4600.


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