100NL - Is this a value shove or a bluff?
 

Villain in this hand had been very tight. Not played a lot of hands and this is the 1st time he has 3-bet.

I have been playing quite aggressively at this table so far and have built up my stack without really showing down any hands.

Not really sure what do to on river. If call or fold what kind of range do you give him here? All comments appreciated!


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($139.57)
CO ($94.50)
Button ($30.50)
SB ($209.94)
BB ($90.45)
UTG ($62.60)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $8.5</font>, Hero calls $5.

Flop: ($18.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $16</font>, Hero calls $16.

Turn: ($50.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($50.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $65.45 and is all-in</font>, Hero ???

Re: 100NL - Is this a value shove or a bluff?
 

Fold preflop, raise the flop, fold to a push.

Re: 100NL - Is this a value shove or a bluff?
 

Yeah, the only hands you can hope he has with a re-raise preflop are A/J, A/10, or A/8 but it'd be a pretty weak push on the river with those 3 so he's probably got either A/K, A/Q or a set. It's not very likely he has a suited connector (whether it was Q/J or any diamond combination), unless you think he was mixing it up after tight play.

Chances are you're probably beat. The only chance you had was a raise on the flop to see where you stood. Once he pushes the end, it's a tough fold but probably the only play you can make.

Re: 100NL - Is this a value shove or a bluff?
 

Fold preflop - never in a million years am i folding any 2 cards to a min 3 bet when i've got position

Raise the flop - If the stacks were deeper definitly but 2 properly raise to find out where im at i need to raise to about $50. If he shoves over that then ill be pot committed coz it'll only be another $16 to call and i'll have no more information anyway

Re: 100NL - Is this a value shove or a bluff?
 

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Fold preflop - never in a million years am i folding any 2 cards to a min 3 bet when i've got position

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oops, didn't notice, the call is fine then.
What you say is right, and if we take thant in consideration, maybe you took the best line and then it's a fold river if villian plays real tight.

Re: 100NL - Is this a value shove or a bluff?
 

I like the flop call. Raising is pretty bad actually imo. I like turn check also vs. villain described. I break down in tears on the river and call because I have two-pair in a reraised pot, but it may be a fold.

Re: 100NL - Is this a value shove or a bluff?
 

fold preflop, as played i do the same postflop and fold the river

Re: 100NL - Is this a value shove or a bluff?
 

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fold preflop

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Living up to your name [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Re: 100NL - Is this a value shove or a bluff?
 

Preflop is obviously fine. Flop call is okay. Turn check is gross cause more than half the deck is a scare card and you are way ahead of his range since he hardly ever check AK or a set on such a drawy board. Please bet and call the rare all in. River is a call and not very close either. A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] is on the board for christ's sake.

Re: 100NL - Is this a value shove or a bluff?
 

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PA[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] is on the board for christ's sake.

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We are not afraid of the flush but AK/QQ+. Since villian looks like a nit I think it's a big part of his range.