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ddubois 04-16-2007 02:10 AM

What else can I do?
 
Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$3/$6 Blinds
5 Players
LegoPoker HH Converter

<font color="black"> Hero: $907.35 </font>
browerkid: $1875.05
<font color="black"> zero2lose: $1031.70 </font>
TaiwanStyle: $558.60
ARISBOY: $498.50

<font color="black"> Preflop: </font> Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 Players)
<font color="red"> zero2lose raises to $21 </font>, TaiwanStyle folds, ARISBOY folds, <font color="red"> Hero raises to $79 </font>, browerkid folds, zero2lose calls $58

<font color="black"> Flop: </font> ($164) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red"> Hero bets $164 </font>, zero2lose calls $164

<font color="black"> Turn: </font> ($492) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red"> Hero bets $246 </font>, <font color="red"> zero2lose raises all-in to $788.70 </font>, Hero calls all-in for $418.35
Uncalled bet of $124.35 returned to zero2lose

<font color="black"> River: </font> ($1820.70) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

Pot Size: $1820.70 ($3 Rake)

zero2lose had 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a flush, Ace high)
Hero had A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (three of a kind, Aces)

Eagles 04-16-2007 02:11 AM

Re: What else can I do?
 
Pair the board?

Ocho 04-16-2007 02:36 AM

Re: What else can I do?
 
Berate your opponent until someone calls the floor and you get kicked out of the casino for a month.

Oh wait... online? Throw your laptop through the wall.

orange 04-16-2007 02:48 AM

Re: What else can I do?
 
bbv?

Ocho 04-16-2007 02:54 AM

Re: What else can I do?
 
[ QUOTE ]
bbv?

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bbv!

Praetor 04-16-2007 05:58 AM

Re: What else can I do?
 
not post this here

phantom_lord 04-16-2007 07:55 AM

Re: What else can I do?
 
run better

ddubois 04-16-2007 03:38 PM

Re: What else can I do?
 
Every time I post in BBV, they tell me how bad I played the hand. I'm skipping the middleman.

Something felt wrong about getting myself pot-committed with transparently large preflop and flop bets, but not so large enough that I crushed his implied odds enough to make subsequently stacking off when the diamond hits a non-error.

I knew the K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] was horrible for me too. I 'crying bet' the turn, which I regretted when he raised as expected. I really wonder if I should have checked. I felt compelled to bet because I didn't want some random broadway or diamond to get a free shot at runner/runnering me, but I don't know if that is good poker. What hand other than a flush can take his line? I probably would have heard from AK/KK preflop, and almost certainly AK/AT/66/TT on the flop, so KK or diamonds is the only hand he can have.

He had to call 164 to win 993, with a 18% chance of turning an out. There's some fudge factor in there, because I still have decent equity when he hits, but it seems like I did something wrong by not getting more in somewhere, somehow. Maybe I should have sized my preflop raise differently, because of our depth? Then, in general, a full pot bet on the flop would be enough to make weak draws incorrect to call.

Also, I'm wondering if there was some way I could have induced him to semi-bluff the flop, so I can get enough in to kill his odds. Might he have raised a weak-lead, or a normal-sized lead, allowing me to shove? Would he have taken the bait if I represented QQ and checked the flop? I'm wondering if my flop full pot froze him up, to my detriment.

Big_Jim 04-16-2007 03:57 PM

Re: What else can I do?
 
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Every time I post in BBV, they tell me how bad I played the hand.

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That's because they suck.

You are vastly overestimating how often he a) Has a flush draw on the flop b) Has a flush, on the turn.

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I'm wondering if there was some way I could have induced him to semi-bluff the flop

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Bet less, but this is pretty player dependant. A lot of guys just won't raise you with this draw, on this board very often.

wrkingtobegreat 04-16-2007 04:07 PM

Re: What else can I do?
 
Thats just awful luck- first off- he calls a sizable preflop raise with effin shiit. Then calls, a flop sized bet with a flushdraw (that you couldnt reasoably put him on (based on preflop). You had to think you had the nuts here- no wayyy you could fold this against an unknown. I have a question, assuming retard's preflop call, if you were him would u guys call the flop bet with that draw?


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