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Haplo 04-13-2007 08:41 PM

Top two pair on 6 player flop
 
Villain had seemed quiet but was actually loose (37 vpip but in only 40 hands though) (and made a substantial bluff 5 hands later it turned out): The one other time I remember seeing the villain rz the size of the pot on the turn was when she had the nuts.

Villain: 37$
Hero: 71$

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
9 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 3 folds, CO (poster) checks, Button calls, SB calls, Hero (poster) checks.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($3, 6 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $2</font>, UTG calls, 4 folds.

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($7, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $4.2</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $11</font>, Hero ?????

What is your action here? Thanks.

molotom 04-13-2007 08:58 PM

Re: Top two pair on 6 player flop
 
I think it's very likely the K gave them a better hand than yours. The only hand you beat is a draw that called the flop then spiked a K for one-pair, but then they don't have much reason to raise you (they still have their draw after all). Also you have a read that they've done this before with a very strong hand. It sucks but I think it's a fold.

I would definitely bet more on the flop here. This is one of the situations where I would even consider an overbet. You almost certainly have the best hand but there are many straight/flush draws out there. Also when there are 6 players to the flop, you know you are playing with experts so it's particularly likely that a weak bet will induce a cascade of calls.

thac 04-13-2007 09:46 PM

Re: Top two pair on 6 player flop
 
I think he could have something like Kx[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or something drawy here a lot, a 37 vpip with not even a full stack.. Screw "don't go broke in an unraised pot" I shove here and feel try to sweat the 70/30 or whatever we are on the river.


..edit - Okay I just re-read the hand.. it seems kinda spewy to shove here, but I just don't like to flat call and see a 3rd heart or a card to help complete a straight come on the river, so if he has KJ, 77 or QT; God bless him, he can have my stack - I'm shoving.


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