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Everlong 04-11-2007 07:05 PM

25NL - JJ I want to put him on a flushdraw
 
but this is an easy fold right?

Villain is 29/0 over a small sample and doesn't seem totally retarded.

Whenever i call in these spots either:

a, the monkey coldcalled with KK+
b, he hits his flush [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

mostly A though. This is never a set.

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

<font color="black">SB: $31.45</font>
<font color="black">BB: $13.25</font>
<font color="black">UTG: $8.70</font>
MP: $17.35
<font color="black">Hero (CO): $36.25</font>
BTN: $14.25

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $0.50</font>, MP folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2</font>, BTN folds, SB calls $1.90, BB calls $1.75, UTG calls $1.50

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($8) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">BB bets all-in for $11.25</font>, Hero?

crushednuts 04-11-2007 07:14 PM

Re: 25NL - JJ I want to put him on a flushdraw
 
I would fold here.. It looks like QQ or TT but could easily be KK but even the nittiest of raisers normally would RR AA here. I think you can find a better spot for your money. It could be a flush draw but an overpair is probably more likely. I feel like he is trying to protect here..

jgunnip 04-11-2007 07:46 PM

Re: 25NL - JJ I want to put him on a flushdraw
 
Bigger raiser pf, at least 2.5. easy call on the flop, shortstacks push all kinds of crap here. This could very well be Q9diamonds or someother ish you have destroyed....fold if you hate money.

Vyse 04-11-2007 07:59 PM

Re: 25NL - JJ I want to put him on a flushdraw
 
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Bigger raiser pf, at least 2.5. easy call on the flop, shortstacks push all kinds of crap here. This could very well be Q9diamonds or someother ish you have destroyed....fold if you hate money.

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Xanta 04-11-2007 08:04 PM

Re: 25NL - JJ I want to put him on a flushdraw
 
The only thing that would steer me away from calling in this spot is the fact that SB is yet to act, and that still isn't enough. Call.

TheDespot 04-11-2007 08:49 PM

Re: 25NL - JJ I want to put him on a flushdraw
 
[ QUOTE ]


Whenever i call in these spots either:

a, the monkey coldcalled with KK+
b, he hits his flush [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

mostly A though. This is never a set.


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a. the monkey coldcalled with 99+

Any overpair to this board is possible here, and so is the flush draw. I played a hand somewhat similar to this in which I called a preflop raise from an EP raiser on the button with J-J and three blanks with two to a suit came out and the raiser instapushed with Q-Q and I made the stupid call. The lession I learned was that if the villain is going to make stupid plays like this it is best to wait for when you know you have him. I understand why people advocate a call here, as you certainly do have some of his range beat here, but again you're going to be taking all of his chips anyways when he pulls this crap again and you flopped the set this time. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
In addition, when you have him beat you probably will not be a huge favorite unless he has 9-9 or 10-10 (say he has one over to your jack with the flush draw), whereas when he has you beat you're crushed against a higher overpair most likely.

BigBadBabar 04-11-2007 08:50 PM

Re: 25NL - JJ I want to put him on a flushdraw
 
i grimace a little bit and call

homanga 04-11-2007 09:13 PM

Re: 25NL - JJ I want to put him on a flushdraw
 
Call this, this is top pair from BB special

Ace0fSpades 04-11-2007 10:14 PM

Re: 25NL - JJ I want to put him on a flushdraw
 
Given villain's stats, even over a small hand sample, I'd probably fold here. A minraise UTG from a player like this seems to broadcast a monster and the shove on the flop solidifies that he flopped a set or has a big pocket pair.


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