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Jackal69 04-11-2007 07:11 AM

5/10, nut str8 vs river cr...
 
only been at the table a short time but have been fairly laggy and raising his blind a lot, not much history with villain but seems decent... how often does anyone get to the river here with AQ/AJ without raising anywhere in the hand, how often is this air?



PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB ($1000)
UTG ($1217)
MP ($226)
Hero ($1213.85)
SB ($811.75)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif.
[color=#666666]2 folds</font>, [color=#CC3333]Hero raises to $30</font>, [color=#666666]1 fold</font>, BB calls $20.

Flop: ($65) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif [color=#0000FF](2 players)</font>
BB checks, [color=#CC3333]Hero bets $40</font>, BB calls $40.

Turn: ($145) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif [color=#0000FF](2 players)</font>
BB checks, [color=#CC3333]Hero bets $100</font>, BB calls $100.

River: ($345) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif [color=#0000FF](2 players)</font>
BB checks, [color=#CC3333]Hero bets $160</font>, [color=#CC3333]BB raises to $830</font>, Hero ?????

True 04-11-2007 07:33 AM

Re: 5/10, nut str8 vs river cr...
 
you should be betting more on every street,

tbh the only hand that beats you is A5 and if he wasn't sure about being ahead on the turn river only lets him beat 3 hands

CallYNotRaise06 04-11-2007 11:15 AM

Re: 5/10, nut str8 vs river cr...
 
ya your betting is really needs to be bigger on flop and turn. i agree w/ true that the only hand i can see him with that beats you is A5.

Heir_Aparent 04-11-2007 11:28 AM

Re: 5/10, nut str8 vs river cr...
 
honestly.. normally he either has a5, maybe even AJ, or a split. If u call you can only hope to split. The problem is, you played it so weak, he could have turned his Kj/KQ/etc into a bluff, trying to move you off an ace. As played I still wanna fold, but I guess I call.

Also, he prob never plays k10 like this its way too thin of a play for a player to make in this game, id imagine

agree with others you realllly need to bet more on flop turn and riv.

Jackal69 04-11-2007 11:50 AM

Re: 5/10, nut str8 vs river cr...
 
ok so i can handle betsizing ty... now what about your action? As it is you are getting 2-1, assuming you potted the whole way maybe 3-1. Perhaps you wanna comment on both?

Ansky 04-11-2007 11:53 AM

Re: 5/10, nut str8 vs river cr...
 
You just can't be good here.

Heir_Aparent 04-11-2007 12:10 PM

Re: 5/10, nut str8 vs river cr...
 
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You just can't be good here.

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these were my exact original thoughts. I don't care if a5 is the only hand that 'really' makes sense that beats you- your jsut almost never ever good here.

but then I thought about heros bet size from villains perspective- ansky do you think its possible villain makes a move with KQ/KJ or whatever here? reading heros bet size on riv as Ax and trying to push him off it? it seems like a definite possibility, albeit remote. Maybe its just a poor justification in the arguement for calling but it does seem to have some merit.

neways still feels like a fold but if i realize i played myself into that spot I prob call

Heir_Aparent 04-11-2007 12:11 PM

Re: 5/10, nut str8 vs river cr...
 
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ok so i can handle betsizing ty... now what about your action? As it is you are getting 2-1, assuming you potted the whole way maybe 3-1. Perhaps you wanna comment on both?

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and yes it makes it a much easier fold IMO if u pot it the whole way and he pushes river. your getting better odds but your never ever getting bluff raised on that river

Moonshine 04-11-2007 12:18 PM

Re: 5/10, nut str8 vs river cr...
 
Everyone's like "only 3 hands beat you" but they forget that 90% of the time he does this he has those 3 hands...

AceCR9 04-11-2007 01:08 PM

Re: 5/10, nut str8 vs river cr...
 
[ QUOTE ]
You just can't be good here.

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