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Gary Stevenson 04-10-2007 01:52 PM

PS 5-10 AK 3bet pot
 
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SB ($828)
BB ($509.20)
UTG ($1000)
Hero ($2951.50)
Button ($3263.85)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $40</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $130</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG calls $90.

Flop: ($275) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($275) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $200</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero ?

<font color="black">utg is wiltontilt, he's a 2p2er, he's running at 20/16/2.3 this session though i think he's usually a bit looser than these stats indicate. i checked behind on the flop bc i think his range is fairly narrow when he opens utg and calls a 3bet oop and i figured a cbet would get shoved on a lot by 1010+, though i suppose a bet would get him to fold a smaller pp and AQ/AK. thoughts on the flop check?
then on the turn, i think he probably figures i have a hand like AK/AQ so i think he could be taking a stab at the pot with less than a set/overpair so i might have FE(?)...thoughts on what my turn play should be? </font>

8outpoker 04-10-2007 01:56 PM

Re: PS 5-10 AK 3bet pot
 
I think i shove turn here

CallYNotRaise06 04-10-2007 01:59 PM

Re: PS 5-10 AK 3bet pot
 
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I think i shove turn here

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jsnipes28 04-10-2007 02:11 PM

Re: PS 5-10 AK 3bet pot
 
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Your hand is v transparent if you shove turn.

CopTHIS 04-10-2007 02:11 PM

Re: PS 5-10 AK 3bet pot
 
I always seem to get called if I push here - they will never believe you checked that flop with a real big hand, but of course you do have some FE even if they have some kind of OK hand. And if they are bluffing with total air then they'd have to be very brave to try again on a blank river. I vote for call but maybe if people actually folded to my [censored] bets from time to time I'd think differently.

CallYNotRaise06 04-10-2007 02:28 PM

Re: PS 5-10 AK 3bet pot
 
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I think i shove turn here

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Your hand is v transparent if you shove turn.

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so are we folding? cuz i think shoving or folding&gt;calling.

ikestoys 04-10-2007 02:28 PM

Re: PS 5-10 AK 3bet pot
 
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I think i shove turn here

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Your hand is v transparent if you shove turn.

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easy to say from our point of view, but it takes a lot of guts for the villain to call with QQ here.

AceCR9 04-10-2007 02:49 PM

Re: PS 5-10 AK 3bet pot
 
shove is standard here, BUT I don't like it unless you play 1010/JJ/AA the same way some of the time. too many people will only play AhKx or AhQx like this, making it very easy to read for a good player

kotkis 04-10-2007 03:06 PM

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I think i shove turn here

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Your hand is v transparent if you shove turn.

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so are we folding? cuz i think shoving or folding&gt;calling.

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What makes calling so bad?

jsnipes28 04-10-2007 03:10 PM

Re: PS 5-10 AK 3bet pot
 
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I think i shove turn here

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Your hand is v transparent if you shove turn.

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easy to say from our point of view, but it takes a lot of guts for the villain to call with QQ here.

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no it doesnt.

on a drawy board hero is not checking big pairs nor is he checking a big combo draw. the only thing you are folding out is AcKh. AQ w/ a heart prob sticks around too w/ double gutter+decent fd.


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