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Leader 04-05-2007 09:53 PM

5/10: Go passive or go aggressive?
 
Bt is very agressive. 5-6 handed stats like 40/30
BB is very loose and very passive 60/3

5/10 Hold'em (3 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB calls, Button calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero...

Plans if the turn's a Q?

elffaw 04-05-2007 09:58 PM

Re: 5/10: Go passive or go aggressive?
 
I'd go passive with the caveat that I'm only a marginal winner. Encourage him to keep (semi-)bluffing if we're ahead. Maybe the metagame of it sucks tho?

Jubinator 04-05-2007 10:16 PM

Re: 5/10: Go passive or go aggressive?
 
Id go passive on the flop. If a Q turned I would continue with the passive line to get BB overcalling with little.

What if the turn is a heart?

Leader 04-05-2007 10:41 PM

Re: 5/10: Go passive or go aggressive?
 
Well if a heart comes we want to keep BB in.

nickg1532 04-05-2007 10:41 PM

Re: 5/10: Go passive or go aggressive?
 
it's tough to tell from just numbers. there are some 40/30 guys with whom i'd love to go multiple bets here(especially with fish coming along). against others it's a pretty easy call down. default is probably call down i guess.

MacGuyV 04-05-2007 10:59 PM

Re: 5/10: Go passive or go aggressive?
 
I vote aggressive. For one thing very aggro 40/30 players usually don't fastplay big hands so I think we're only really behind A8-AJ. Granted that's a significant # of combos but presumably he's raising lots of other hands too. I also don't think the standard "he never folds anything we want him to" argument really applies here re: SB as a lot of players won't call w/ Qx or a gutshot for 2 cold vs. this action. Throw in the chance of the turn getting checked thru and the risk of losing an extra small bet when we lose by 3betting in a pot this size seems relatively harmless.

sharpie 04-05-2007 11:06 PM

Re: 5/10: Go passive or go aggressive?
 
I'm with Mcguy.

I'm wondering what's the worst Ax hand you guys 3 bet PF in this spot? What about suited? Seems like we're going to be 3 way OOP alot with a [censored] hand if we miss.

Leader 04-05-2007 11:16 PM

Re: 5/10: Go passive or go aggressive?
 
[ QUOTE ]
I vote aggressive. For one thing very aggro 40/30 players usually don't fastplay big hands so I think we're only really behind A8-AJ. Granted that's a significant # of combos but presumably he's raising lots of other hands too. I also don't think the standard "he never folds anything we want him to" argument really applies here re: SB as a lot of players won't call w/ Qx or a gutshot for 2 cold vs. this action. Throw in the chance of the turn getting checked thru and the risk of losing an extra small bet when we lose by 3betting in a pot this size seems relatively harmless.

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You 3-bet both call. The turn's a Q. You bet. BB folds. BT raises...

I really don't want to calldown here, which is why I'm questioning the flop play.

Leader 04-05-2007 11:22 PM

Re: 5/10: Go passive or go aggressive?
 
[ QUOTE ]
I'm with Mcguy.

I'm wondering what's the worst Ax hand you guys 3 bet PF in this spot? What about suited? Seems like we're going to be 3 way OOP alot with a [censored] hand if we miss.

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Well A5=A6 so A5. BB does fold a good percent of hands here. like 50-60% probably. I wouldn't always do it either.

Also A6 is not a [censored] hand against a guy that probably openning 60% and a super fish.

elffaw 04-05-2007 11:23 PM

Re: 5/10: Go passive or go aggressive?
 
Fine to fold as long as your flop 3betting range has enough strong hands worth calling down, so you won't be exploited here when you do fold the weaker hands.


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