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TO1 04-04-2007 06:38 AM

1/2 NL 666
 
Opponent seemed to be aggressive preflop and tight postflop although I haven't been at the tables with him long (He and I are both multi-tabling). On turn should we check or lead, if we check and he bets $92 with $120 or so behind then whats action?



PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($91.70)
Button ($282.55)
Hero ($401.20)
BB ($196)
UTG ($80.80)
UTG+1 ($79.40)
MP1 ($200)
MP2 ($188.85)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to $8</font>, MP1 calls $8, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls $8, Hero calls $7, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($34) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $22</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $66</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, Button calls $44.

Turn: ($166) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: $166

BT2 04-04-2007 07:00 AM

Re: 1/2 NL 666
 
i think you could have played the flop smarter. as plyed i would check/call turn and do likewise with most rivers.

good_gamble 04-04-2007 11:18 AM

Re: 1/2 NL 666
 
Most of the time I would lead flop here into a large field - and if i went for the c/r id prolly make it around 80

blunty31 04-04-2007 11:52 AM

Re: 1/2 NL 666
 
c/c turn c/f river since I doubt hes betting river with anything that we beat.

DougieG 04-04-2007 12:15 PM

Re: 1/2 NL 666
 
I would always lead into this flop with a set in a multiway pot, however a c/r isn't awful either I s'pose. I guess the c/r could be more since with this size bet we are giving him ~2.5-1 if he is drawing to a flush. Given the action as played on the flop I'd c/c the turn and probably c/f the river...especially if we suspect he is tight postflop.

KurtSF 04-04-2007 12:51 PM

Re: 1/2 NL 666
 
I lead the flop, but I haven't been getting action recently, so I'm OK mixing it up a little. If raised I would 3-bet. My goal is to get it in on this flop.

If you do c/r, do it for more. He only has to call $44 into a $122 pot, and can call with a lot of draws and hope to get paid. If I'm not mistaken a PSB here is $100. I like $90, as it doesn't give him odds to draw, ruins implied odds, and leaves him with less than a PSB on the turn, which I plan to try to get into the pot as well.

As played I lead the turn too. Am I a monkey?

DougieG 04-04-2007 02:01 PM

Re: 1/2 NL 666
 
I dunno, I contemplated a turn lead as well Kurt. The problem is that when we call the flop the pot is 166, villian has 212 behind. If we lead the turn we're putting between 90 and 120 in (right?) leaving between 120 and 92 behind for him. If he pushes we have to call and we're throwin good money after bad IMO.

Landlord79 04-04-2007 02:08 PM

Re: 1/2 NL 666
 
Why are we putting the button on a flush draw here? He led the flop from position after 3 checks. TP is not out of his range.

DougieG 04-04-2007 02:12 PM

Re: 1/2 NL 666
 
We aren't putting him explicitly on a flush draw at this point. The problem lies in the fact that his stack is such that if we make any bet he's probably putting it in with a flush and we have to call, and folding hands we beat. If we had bet more on the flop when we c/r'ed we could narrow his range down more (maybe), and we know that paying off a flush is ok since we didn't give him odds (value&gt;actual dollaz)

If villian was deeper we could bet or check this turn and play accordingly, however with the stack villian has and the size of the c/r on the flop we are handcuffed.

Landlord79 04-04-2007 02:14 PM

Re: 1/2 NL 666
 
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We aren't putting him explicitly on a flush draw at this point. The problem lies in the fact that his stack is such that if we make any bet he's probably putting it in with a flush and we have to call, and folding hands we beat. If we had bet more on the flop when we c/r'ed we could narrow his range down more (maybe), and we know that paying off a flush is ok since we didn't give him odds (value&gt;actual dollaz)

If villian was deeper we could bet or check this turn and play accordingly, however with the stack villian has and the size of the c/r on the flop we are handcuffed.

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