those mother-$#%$## min 3-bettors
 

BB had just gotten to the table, no reads on him. the limper is fishy so i was trying to isolate.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($667)
SB ($72)
BB ($328.50)
UTG ($970.90)
MP ($821.50)
CO ($982.70)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $6, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $30</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $54</font>, MP folds, Hero calls $24.

Flop: ($117) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $84</font>, hero?

villain has 190 left after his bet.

Re: those mother-$#%$## min 3-bettors
 

Fold. Without better reads I assume I'm killed here.

Re: those mother-$#%$## min 3-bettors
 

preflop or on the flop? if we're folding the flop i don't see any reason to call preflop.

Re: those mother-$#%$## min 3-bettors
 

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preflop or on the flop? if we're folding the flop i don't see any reason to call preflop.

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I usually call PF getting like 4.5:1 + we often get his whole stack if we hit. I'd fold the flop. KTo is a crummy hand in this spot though, folding PF works too.

Re: those mother-$#%$## min 3-bettors
 

This is close a lot of people min 3bet really wide.

Re: those mother-$#%$## min 3-bettors
 

this is a simple shove if ur calling this PF... what board are u looking for playing this short?

Re: those mother-$#%$## min 3-bettors
 

If you're going to fold this, you can't call pf.

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this is a simple shove if ur calling this PF... what board are u looking for playing this short?

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This logic doesn't apply here. I'm not saying we should or shouldn't stack off here, but just because we were getting 1000:1 preflop and had to call doesn't mean we have to auto stack off on any K or T high board.

Re: those mother-$#%$## min 3-bettors
 

ur getting 4.5-1 preflp but if ur not willing to play this when the flop gives u top pair then ur making an incorrect call pre becuz ur not going to flop better than top pair more than 1 in 4.5 and u have little implied odds so either fold pre or get all in here

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u have little implied odds

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How do you figure? He has a fair amount behind and if we hit we're probably getting it all.