Fire again with QQ\'s in 3r?
 

This is my first post but have been lurking here for awhile. We are about 200 from the money in the PS $3 rebuy. I min raised before the flop (bad I know). After the flop call do I fire again after the turn blank?

Thanks for your help.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t800 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Button (t53653)
SB (t9515)
BB (t18505)
UTG (t33355)
UTG+1 (t25040)
Hero (t20835)
MP2 (t22263)
MP3 (t33435)
CO (t14040)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls t800, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to t1600</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t3200</font>, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t1600.

Flop: (t7550) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t5600</font>, UTG+1 calls t5600.

Turn: (t18750) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks

Re: Fire again with QQ\'s in 3r?
 

i think its a shove on turn, but maybe u can extract a little more value and bet 1/2-2/3 of pot.

Lets hear more opinions.

Re: Fire again with QQ\'s in 3r?
 

Shove the turn.

Re: Fire again with QQ\'s in 3r?
 

Push the turn.

Re: Fire again with QQ\'s in 3r?
 

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Shove the turn.

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Really? I like checking behind on the turn and calling if he bets on the river; betting for value if he checks.

Not exactly sure what your stack is relative to the pot on the turn, but my vote goes for the pot control line/make the villain make a mistake line.

I feel like if you shove you let him play perfect (I could maybe see him calling a shove w/AJ) in that he calls with his sets/two pair and folds everything else.

Re: Fire again with QQ\'s in 3r?
 

We have half our stack in the pot, are you planning on letting this one go if a scare card hits the river? A push allows you not to play the hand incorrectly. I'm not buying a set/2p here, we're betting strong, I'm sure we would see a R/R if he was that strong. Pushing forces him to make a mistake if he calls to see the river, and I'm fine with winning this pot right now.

Re: Fire again with QQ\'s in 3r?
 

I agree we want to win this pot right now it is big. But despite a big bet on the flop villain still called. And no, I'm not planning on folding the river.

I'd even call a shove from the villain, but at least I have given him an opportunity to make a mistake (bluff or mistakenly value bet the worst hand). If I shove the turn, he plays perfect (except for maybe calling w/AJ).

Giving him a free card here isn't disastrous. The board is semi-coordinated but no flush draws are there. I'm guessing the villain is either already ahead or has ~3 outs. If he misses, he 1) either bluffs the river (or mistakenly value bets) and we call or 2) he will check and we can bet for value.

If he hits (or is already ahead), he'll value bet and we can call and have the potential of not losing our stack.

I think this line decreases the possibility of losing our stack while getting the most possible value out of our hand.

Re: Fire again with QQ\'s in 3r?
 

holdemft is correct in that I have already put half my stack in. I do not think he has a jack since I think he would have raised after the flop. At the time I was worried about him drawing out on me if I checked.

I am wondering whether I have already committed myself and if I did should I have gone all in after the flop.

Re: Fire again with QQ\'s in 3r?
 

My initial thought was to check the turn. On the river, if he bets out, I'd call. If he checks, I'd bet for value.

Re: Fire again with QQ\'s in 3r?
 

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Shove the turn.

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