Hypothetical bubble situation, what\'s optimal
 

OK, this is a hypothetical example (actually a buddy's question), I gave him a response, but I'd like to know what you guys think.
4 plyrs left, Hero has 4K, Villian has 4K, other 2 players have ~2.5K each. blinds are at 200/400, no ante.

Hero is UTG with A4s, what's your play here?

Let's say Hero raised to 1K, and Villian (who has you exactly covered) called OTB, blinds fold.

Flop comes JJ4

Hero????

If played this way, what is your play on this flop, given the stacks, etc, thoughts?

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A4s 4 handed is worth a raise, esp given there is only one player after you to act (apart from blinds.)

Push flop. What did button call with? Almost certainly not a J or 4, so is it a pp? Probably not, as they are infrequent. He probably called with 2 high cards, but given there are 2 jacks on the flop, that reduces the chances of him having on in his hand.

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I never would have been in this situation because I would have shoved preflop.

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Hero should not be commiting 25% of his stack Pre Flop on the bubble from UTG. Push or fold depending on what ranges and positions each villian is in.

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He can smooth call with a variety of hands (small-mid pairs, high cards) given stacks.

I know that the raise to 1K is NOT the correct play here, but IF you did end up in this spot, on a JJ4 flop, whats your play?

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He can smooth call with a variety of hands, given stacks.

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Well, really he should be calling with about 0% of hands. He should be shoving 100% of hands...but that's really just semantics.

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He can smooth call with a variety of hands, given stacks.

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Well, really he should be calling with about 0% of hands. He should be shoving 100% of hands...but that's really just semantics.

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Neither Villian nor Hero are playing optimally preflop. Whats the optimal play from Hero postflop?

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Depends, what's the villain like?

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Villain is a good player, hasn't been out of line so far, for the purpose of this discussion, we'll say no reads at all on Villain.

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Well, if he's good, I'm probably just checking folding cause he should have a very strong hand to call preflop then.

If he's just a typical donk, it would depend on the type of donk. If he's aggro, I'd check/shove. If he's passive, I'd probably have to bet-call and hate it.