Need help with my river play ( live 1/2).
 

Just finished playing live $1/2. I didn't do so hot. Two hands bother me. I am questioning my river play on both, although comments on all streets are welcome.

Hand 1. Third hand on a new table. Of note, I showed down the first hand I was dealt which was AQ suited UTG. On that hand I raised pf, made a c-bet which was called, then went check/check and lost against a pair of sixes.

Dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] on button.
pf two limpers, I raise to $12, SB and BB fold, both limpers call.
Flop Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
checked to me and I check
Turn 10[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
checked to me, and I bet out $25, one limper calls
River J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
limper bets $20, what's my play?

Second hand:
At this time I'm down to $125 of my second buy-in having just lost $70 when I folded an overpair on the river on a fairly safe board to what I believe to have been either two pair or a set (I have vowed not to go broke with just a pair). All relevant players have me covered. The villian in this hand is who I just folded to.
Dealt 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]10[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] in BB
pf 4 limpers, small blind completes, I check.
flop (6 players) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
First limper bets $10, one fold, two more calls, SB folds, I call.
Turn (four players) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
I check, planning to check/raise, but checked around
River (four players) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
I bet $20, one fold, I'm mini-raised to $45, folded to me. What's my move?

Re: Need help with my river play ( live 1/2).
 

Hand with ak I make it like 50 or so on the river.

Not going broke with one pair hands is a leak.

Easy push in hand 2.

Re: Need help with my river play ( live 1/2).
 

Which casino is this?

In my live experience, your overpair hand was probably good. People will bet with anything.

Hand 1 a read would help. I'm raising here. Villain probably has K or 8. Trips may play this way as well. If he shows a boat then oh well.

Hand 2 I push. Only hand you lose to is KT. With these donkeys, their range is much larger. TP, 2 pair, even sets. Get your money in there.

BTW why would you c/r turn? If anything raise the flop.

Re: Need help with my river play ( live 1/2).
 

Harrah's St. Louis.

I would c/r turn to make the A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] pay big to see the river. I did not bet the flop since I was way out of position and want to see the turn as cheap as possible. As for c/r the flop, I do not want to fold people out as flush draws play best multiway. Also, no donkeys (except me?) at the table.

Re: Need help with my river play ( live 1/2).
 

Hand #1 Call on the river - You don't have enough information / history to justify squeaking out any extra value while in turn reopening the betting.

Hand #2 You need to lead this flop. If you check call this flop then you need to lead the turn. As played - on the river with no reads etc. - just call - this may seem weak, but the way the hand came down I think it's the best choice.

Re: Need help with my river play ( live 1/2).
 

OK I see what I missed. I was posting from a phone and cant see the suits. For that reason I usually dont post advice from my phone.

What I did
 

On hand 1 I raised river to $60. The bettor pushed. I had $70 behind and was covered. The pot was ~$276. I figured I was better than 1:4 to win, thinking KQ, AQ, KJ, KT, were all still good possibilities for my opponent to be holding. I called. Flame away.

Hand 2. The re-raise scared me. I could not fold this hand, so I just called. Flame away.

Re: What I did
 

2nd hand I shove river. It's only $70ish more for him to call and he probably will/did with 2 pair or K10.

I think long-term you get called more often by weaker hands than you get beaten by higher flushes.

Re: What I did
 

Now that I can see the suits, first hand I shove, second hand I shove.