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lucky_mf 03-01-2007 12:46 PM

Deep (how to get the money in?)
 
Villian is 20/5/4.5. I don't know what he thinks of me.

edit I should of added that I came over the top of him in a similiar situation - that pot was unraised though.

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $807.27
UTG+1: $474.95
CO: $380.95
Button: $70.75
SB: $123.05
BB: $121.85

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero calls, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $9</font>, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($45, 5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $35</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $95</font>, 3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero ?

Al_Money 03-01-2007 01:12 PM

Re: Deep (how to get the money in?)
 
I'd make a smallish 3-bet and get the rest in on the turn. $250 should work.

With normal stack sizes, I would call and c/r most turns.

.xxxx. 03-01-2007 01:22 PM

Re: Deep (how to get the money in?)
 
Al Money, I think you can stretch this out over the turn/river more even at eff stack ~240BBs. This hand is going to be great for discussion about which stack size you move to b3b flops vs call and c/r turns. This one is definitely towards this margin. As is I like b3b because he has to suspect something if you hammer on all streets even if he has overs. $225-275 are all nice.

cbboy 03-01-2007 01:23 PM

Re: Deep (how to get the money in?)
 
Raise PF. I'm not a big fan of open limping ANY pair in ANY position.

I think I probably call and lead turn here.

bunga 03-01-2007 01:26 PM

Re: Deep (how to get the money in?)
 
Assuming you are tag, villian would be pretty dumb to play for stacks here without 33 or 99 considering you limped. I raise preflop. What is your range for limping here.... 22-66?

SABR42 03-01-2007 01:29 PM

Re: Deep (how to get the money in?)
 
Raise pre-flop.

I'd probably 3-bet the flop, maybe even push, representing a big draw.

A 20/5 player rarely has a set here, and he'll usually go broke with AA/KK.

Better Than U 03-01-2007 01:36 PM

Re: Deep (how to get the money in?)
 
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Raise PF. I'm not a big fan of open limping ANY pair in ANY position.

I think I probably call and lead turn here.

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Bad advice. Open limping has it's place...esp. with small pairs.

SABR42 03-01-2007 01:39 PM

Re: Deep (how to get the money in?)
 
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Raise PF. I'm not a big fan of open limping ANY pair in ANY position.

I think I probably call and lead turn here.

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Bad advice. Open limping has it's place...esp. with small pairs.

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This isn't full ring.

Better Than U 03-01-2007 01:39 PM

Re: Deep (how to get the money in?)
 
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Raise PF. I'm not a big fan of open limping ANY pair in ANY position.

I think I probably call and lead turn here.

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Bad advice. Open limping has it's place...esp. with small pairs.

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This isn't full ring.

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Duh?

lucky_mf 03-01-2007 01:40 PM

Re: Deep (how to get the money in?)
 
There were reason not to raise 22 PF UTG in thos spot.
- I'm running 26/18/6 for the session - pretty aggro image.
- shortstacks are very loose VP$IP&gt;55%.

To me these two things add up to a small chance at winning the pot if I don't catch a flop.

Lucky


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